1st Cycle

hyku1147

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Hi gang,

I have just started a mild 9 week cycle --250 test ethenate 1xweek and avavar 10mg 3xday. I am also taking 25mg of proviron 1xday.
Body weight 225lbs.
Age 51.
I want gain power on the bench and squat, keep the libido 'up' and maintain a 3xweek running program. My bench is crap at the moment: 235lb 5x5 and I have just hit the wall--low energy and low motivation. Squats (a new exercise for me) are okay: 3x5 with 235.
What gains, with good rest and diet, can I expect?

I want to run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) but I do not know how much/often, or when I should start.

Should I increase the proviron?

Is nolva sufficient for PCT with this mild cycle?

Is Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) recommended for PCT?

Thanks guys.
 
hey man you are at a ripe age for a cycle. You will have tremendous results, however there are many critiques that I would like to provide you with in order to gain the most out of your first cycle:

1. Run the cycle longer than 9 weeks. Long-estered test such as test enan, test cyp, and test decanoate should be (in my humble opinion) run a minimum of 12 weeks. So, accordingly you should run this cycle for 12 weeks.

2. Run a dosage higher than 250mg/week. You will incur minimal additional suppression of your HPTA by doubling your dosage; so.....do just that. Run Test Enanthate at a dosage of 500mg for 12 weeks.

3. Split up your test injections into 2 a week to keep your blood levels more stable. I prefer to inject Mon/Thursday, but the split is ultimately up to you. I assume your Test E is dosed at 250mg/ml? If that is the case merely IM 1ml on Monday and 1ml on Thursday.

4. Proviron is wonderful. How long will you be running it? If you can I would even bump the dosage up to 50mg/day. That is where you start to really see dramatic effects from it. If you can run it for the whole cycle do so. If you can't run it towards the tail end so that it can be included in post cycle therapy (pct).

5. Run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for sure at a dosage of 500IU a week. Simply add it to your test shot on injection days. I would start it once the test levels have really become elevated and testicular atrophy of the leydig cells is really becoming a problem. I tend to NOT run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) through the PCT if i ran it on cycle and I believe you will find it sufficient as well.

6. I didn't see you mention an Aromatase Inhibitor (AI). You should have one on hand, and not just that but I prefer to use them anyway since it tends to keep the bloat to a minimum. Aromasin is the best one hands down.

7. Nolva is widely believed to be "sufficient" for PCT, but I would recommend you better options. Nolva has been proven to inhibit IGF-1 levels, which is the last thing that you want inhibited during PCT, which is the critical time period in maintaining your hard earned gains. Clomid is a much better choice. I once used Toremifene and I liked it more than anything else, but many will doubt the validity of Toremifene even from reputable sources, so perhaps stay away from it for now.

In sum, your cycle should look like this:

Weeks 1-12: 500mg Test E (split into 2 shots; 1ml Mon/ 1ml Thurs)
Weeks 1-17: 50mg Proviron ED (or what you have available)
weeks 2-17: 12.5mg Aromasin ED
Weels 3-13: 500 IU Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) (inject 250IU with each Test shot)
Weeks 14-17: 50mg Clomid ED

That is beautiful if I do say so myself.

Most importantly man, EAT EAT EAT. The most anabolic compound is food. If you're diet isn't on point you can expect to ultimately be disappointed. Please visit the diet forum and give 3j a ring. He and the other wonderful members on this forum will give you a proper diet to achieve your goals.

Best of luck~
 
hey man you are at a ripe age for a cycle. You will have tremendous results, however there are many critiques that I would like to provide you with in order to gain the most out of your first cycle:

1. Run the cycle longer than 9 weeks. Long-estered test such as test enan, test cyp, and test decanoate should be (in my humble opinion) run a minimum of 12 weeks. So, accordingly you should run this cycle for 12 weeks.

2. Run a dosage higher than 250mg/week. You will incur minimal additional suppression of your HPTA by doubling your dosage; so.....do just that. Run Test Enanthate at a dosage of 500mg for 12 weeks.

3. Split up your test injections into 2 a week to keep your blood levels more stable. I prefer to inject Mon/Thursday, but the split is ultimately up to you. I assume your Test E is dosed at 250mg/ml? If that is the case merely IM 1ml on Monday and 1ml on Thursday.

4. Proviron is wonderful. How long will you be running it? If you can I would even bump the dosage up to 50mg/day. That is where you start to really see dramatic effects from it. If you can run it for the whole cycle do so. If you can't run it towards the tail end so that it can be included in post cycle therapy (pct).

5. Run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for sure at a dosage of 500IU a week. Simply add it to your test shot on injection days. I would start it once the test levels have really become elevated and testicular atrophy of the leydig cells is really becoming a problem. I tend to NOT run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) through the PCT if i ran it on cycle and I believe you will find it sufficient as well.

6. I didn't see you mention an Aromatase Inhibitor (AI). You should have one on hand, and not just that but I prefer to use them anyway since it tends to keep the bloat to a minimum. Aromasin is the best one hands down.

7. Nolva is widely believed to be "sufficient" for PCT, but I would recommend you better options. Nolva has been proven to inhibit IGF-1 levels, which is the last thing that you want inhibited during PCT, which is the critical time period in maintaining your hard earned gains. Clomid is a much better choice. I once used Toremifene and I liked it more than anything else, but many will doubt the validity of Toremifene even from reputable sources, so perhaps stay away from it for now.

In sum, your cycle should look like this:

Weeks 1-12: 500mg Test E (split into 2 shots; 1ml Mon/ 1ml Thurs)
Weeks 1-17: 50mg Proviron ED (or what you have available)
weeks 2-17: 12.5mg Aromasin ED
Weels 3-13: 500 IU Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) (inject 250IU with each Test shot)
Weeks 14-17: 50mg Clomid ED

That is beautiful if I do say so myself.

Most importantly man, EAT EAT EAT. The most anabolic compound is food. If you're diet isn't on point you can expect to ultimately be disappointed. Please visit the diet forum and give 3j a ring. He and the other wonderful members on this forum will give you a proper diet to achieve your goals.

Best of luck~

Thanks for the reply.
I think that I will add your suggested adjustments, but I thought that proviron acted as an AI? I only included proviron to combat aromatase , so I take it that prov has other benifits?

Cheers.
 
Proviron is NOT an aromatase inhibitor.

Proviron binds to SHBG, which normally binds free-test inactivating it. By having proviron bind SHBG, this increases the level of free-test in the blood. Higher levels of test in the blood allows for increased levels of anabolic effects from binding to nuclear-localized transcription factors.

An Aromatase inhibitor (AI) will bind to the Aromatase enzyme. This enzyme is responsible for the conversion of certain AAS into estrogenic compounds. By utilizing an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), you prevent the conversion of your anabolic compounds into estrogenic ones.

As you can see, the effect from utilizing an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) is very different from that of using Proviron. However, used together, they complement one another wonderfully and maintain a very anabolic environment inside each of your cells.
 
No.

Nolva is a Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator (SERM). It will not block the conversion of testosterone to estrogen, but rather mediates the activity and binding of estrogen to estrogen dependent cell tissue.

From the sounds of it man, you still have a great deal of reading to do until you are actually ready to run your first cycle.

It isn't fair for others when you get to sit here and be spoon fed information that is so readily available were you to simply read through previous threads.
 
No.

Nolva is a Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator (SERM). It will not block the conversion of testosterone to estrogen, but rather mediates the activity and binding of estrogen to estrogen dependent cell tissue.

From the sounds of it man, you still have a great deal of reading to do until you are actually ready to run your first cycle.

It isn't fair for others when you get to sit here and be spoon fed information that is so readily available were you to simply read through previous threads.

Normally I would be doing my research, but I have already started my cycle. I am in need of proper advice, which you provided, as I felt that an adjustment needed to be made.

Thanks for your help and honesty.

Cheers.
 
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