200mg test high estrogen and 50mg aromasin... What's going on?

[oliverduke]

Oliver: details are important. How often do you take the 25mg of Aromasin while on TRT? Daily? And where does that out your E2?

For your Blast, you say you were taking 25-50mg of Aromasin daily? Which was it? Or did you just wake up and take 40 some days, 50 other days and 25 yet others? And then specifically how much Aromasin were you taking the week leading up to your blood work?

Sorry I'll write it simple

- trt dose AI - none atall, estrogen sits mid range.
- started binging this time last year post comp, (+20kg bodyfat) and noticed estrogen rose high normal
- dosed 25mg aromasin thereafter and didn't change even when adding npp
- one Month prior to this test estrogen read high again, upped dose to 50mg
- this test two weeks ago still reads high, hence thread.
- up to the blood work 50mg BUT the test said not to take any anti E 24 hours prior so I stopped a day before the test then restarted.

 

[halfape211]

Sorry I'll write it simple

- trt dose AI - none atall, estrogen sits mid range.
- started binging this time last year post comp, (+20kg bodyfat) and noticed estrogen rose high normal
- dosed 25mg aromasin thereafter and didn't change even when adding npp
- one Month prior to this test estrogen read high again, upped dose to 50mg
- this test two weeks ago still reads high, hence thread.
- up to the blood work 50mg BUT the test said not to take any anti E 24 hours prior so I stopped a day before the test then restarted.

You don't make it easy for Megatron. How often did you take 25mg or 50mg of aromasin? EOD? ED? once a week? specially the week before.

Reread Megatron's questions. Focus buddy, focus! lol

 

[oliverduke]

You don't make it easy for Megatron. How often did you take 25mg or 50mg of aromasin? EOD? ED? once a week? specially the week before.

Reread Megatron's questions. Focus buddy, focus! lol

How did i miss that again!! ED (every day) i must have said it somewhere lol

 

[halfwit]

I bet the blood test paints a better picture. I wouldn't change anything unless you feel like crap, in which case I'd probably cut that AI dose down a little. (unless you're swelling in your feet/ankles)

 

[oliverduke]

I bet the blood test paints a better picture. I wouldn't change anything unless you feel like crap, in which case I'd probably cut that AI dose down a little. (unless you're swelling in your feet/ankles)

feeling like crap is a difficult one to say because of the binge eating disorder i do suffer from anxiety and shit sleep, which obviously leaves me moody, tired and not a ball of laughs... but is that estrogen related, chicken or egg...

Secondly i do suffer from ankle swelling, but again its a lot worse if i have a binge eating episode or a really disturbed nights sleep, so again is it the cortisol response or estrogen...

Id say from the fact my last 3 bloods have been on the higher side that what I'm normally at there is an inclination of high estrogen but how high I'm not sure...

Now iv switched to arimi i think ill carry on and take another proper blood test in 2 weeks.

Further from this, iv got HCG waiting to go for fertility, and backfilling pathways to see if it helps at all with how i feel and hey it makes your balls big again so why not...

Just thinking i should wait till i get estrogen dialled in before adding another aromatising compound?

 

[Megatron28]

You don't make it easy for Megatron. How often did you take 25mg or 50mg of aromasin? EOD? ED? once a week? specially the week before.

Reread Megatron's questions. Focus buddy, focus! lol

Thank you!!!!!!

 

[halfwit]

feeling like crap is a difficult one to say because of the binge eating disorder i do suffer from anxiety and shit sleep, which obviously leaves me moody, tired and not a ball of laughs... but is that estrogen related, chicken or egg...

Secondly i do suffer from ankle swelling, but again its a lot worse if i have a binge eating episode or a really disturbed nights sleep, so again is it the cortisol response or estrogen...

Id say from the fact my last 3 bloods have been on the higher side that what I'm normally at there is an inclination of high estrogen but how high I'm not sure...

Now iv switched to arimi i think ill carry on and take another proper blood test in 2 weeks.

Further from this, iv got HCG waiting to go for fertility, and backfilling pathways to see if it helps at all with how i feel and hey it makes your balls big again so why not...

Just thinking i should wait till i get estrogen dialled in before adding another aromatising compound?

Have you had a sleep study done? While some of us are sensitive to estradiol, I'd be surprised if that was entirely the culprit here. Yes, dialing in estradiol should be goal #1, and if it were me, I'd first change that wonky dosing schedule to E3.5D as that has helped many of us deal with spikes in sex hormones and their side effects.

HCG did make a difference for me, but I also had sleep apnea treated first. Sleep apnea is a HUGE problem that many of us don't even know we have. As you rely on adrenaline to wake you up from self-induced paralysis (it's why we don't actually run around while asleep), your adrenals do get very tired, and cortisol combined with other parasympathetic systems kick in. This can lead to anxiety and even mood swings. I'd certainly investigate that avenue too.

 

[oliverduke]

Have you had a sleep study done? While some of us are sensitive to estradiol, I'd be surprised if that was entirely the culprit here. Yes, dialing in estradiol should be goal #1, and if it were me, I'd first change that wonky dosing schedule to E3.5D as that has helped many of us deal with spikes in sex hormones and their side effects.

HCG did make a difference for me, but I also had sleep apnea treated first. Sleep apnea is a HUGE problem that many of us don't even know we have. As you rely on adrenaline to wake you up from self-induced paralysis (it's why we don't actually run around while asleep), your adrenals do get very tired, and cortisol combined with other parasympathetic systems kick in. This can lead to anxiety and even mood swings. I'd certainly investigate that avenue too.

Yes sounds interesting and something i should probably look at, what do they actually monitor with the sleep apnea study? all i know is i wake up a lot during the night but apart from that it all seems fairly normal broken sleep.

In regards to the wonky dosage schedule what are you referring to?

currently TEST E EOD 0.2ml (250mg over 10 days) and AI ED with mast prop (dieting) EOD with the test.

Appreciate all the help! its a minefield when you start looking into the hpta axis and how everything has a slight knock on effect.

But agreed I think my preference is - resolve estrogen - resolve gut leak + imbalance to calm inflammation + cortisol, then look at hcg and backfilling pathways (The hcg just came today so ill keep it in the cupboard for now)

 

[oliverduke]

Thank you!!!!!!

sorry again

TRT DOSE AI - 0 (LOW TO MID RANGE ESTO) (FIRST 8 MONTHS OF TRT)
TRT DOSE AI POST BINGE - 25MG AROMASIN ED (HIGH END ESTRO) (LAST 6 MONTHS OF TRT)
TRT DOSE ON NPP + TRT -50MG ED (HIGH END ESTRO)
PREVIOUS TO THIS TEST - 25MG ED (NONE ON DAY OF TEST)

 

[halfape211]

sorry again

TRT DOSE AI - 0 (LOW TO MID RANGE ESTO) (FIRST 8 MONTHS OF TRT)
TRT DOSE AI POST BINGE - 25MG AROMASIN ED (HIGH END ESTRO) (LAST 6 MONTHS OF TRT)
TRT DOSE ON NPP + TRT -50MG ED (HIGH END ESTRO)
PREVIOUS TO THIS TEST - 25MG ED (NONE ON DAY OF TEST)

I knew he could do it!!!!

 

[halfwit]

Yes sounds interesting and something i should probably look at, what do they actually monitor with the sleep apnea study? all i know is i wake up a lot during the night but apart from that it all seems fairly normal broken sleep.

In regards to the wonky dosage schedule what are you referring to?

currently TEST E EOD 0.2ml (250mg over 10 days) and AI ED with mast prop (dieting) EOD with the test.

Appreciate all the help! its a minefield when you start looking into the hpta axis and how everything has a slight knock on effect.

But agreed I think my preference is - resolve estrogen - resolve gut leak + imbalance to calm inflammation + cortisol, then look at hcg and backfilling pathways (The hcg just came today so ill keep it in the cupboard for now)

Leaky gut is also tied to an adrenal imbalance FYI.

They monitor your breathing, heart rate, oxygen saturation, and brain activity (I think?). They put a bazillion sensors on you and you go to sleep. I was woken up about two hours in as I was ceasing my breathing several times a minute, which a CPAP fixed.

It's DEFINITELY worth looking into as being a male and having a large neck/chest are risk factors.

Oh, I forgot you're doing EOD, which is better than E10D like I had first read. That's pretty often, but I can understand given the masteron prop being in the mix. If you're not taking mast, do you pin E10D?

 

[oliverduke]

Leaky gut is also tied to an adrenal imbalance FYI.

They monitor your breathing, heart rate, oxygen saturation, and brain activity (I think?). They put a bazillion sensors on you and you go to sleep. I was woken up about two hours in as I was ceasing my breathing several times a minute, which a CPAP fixed.

It's DEFINITELY worth looking into as being a male and having a large neck/chest are risk factors.

Oh, I forgot you're doing EOD, which is better than E10D like I had first read. That's pretty often, but I can understand given the masteron prop being in the mix. If you're not taking mast, do you pin E10D?

Yeh the leaky gut is a strange one, I know it can do all sorts but i didn't relate to it too much as its so hard to assess the significance of it... But I'm working with a dietician to try and heal it up!

ill look into the sleep study!

and yeh only because of the mast p, if it wasn't for that id split it in half and go e5d or something