23 year old athlete here looking for some Vet with dosages etc.

[Fish_easy23]

Shh don't start yellin at people.
An first off how is that too much? You know tren is the strongest roid you can buy

why would you consider the deca/dbol/test stack over the tren/test?

 

[Fish_easy23]

You really need to read the stickies your cycle is all kinds of wrong!

Cycling for beginners...

Help me out dude. I've pretty much made up my mind with the test and tren stack, being that everyone has only great things to say about the gains. What dosages pCT should I consider?

 

[Pinkbear]

You said you want mass an strength while still fast. Iv heard keeping up on cardio is hard on tren.
Also idk if you should run tren. Havin no experience. You don't give the keys of a Lamborghini to some still with a permit

 

[Fish_easy23]

you dont have an issue with genetics my friend.. you have an issue with your diet.. im 100% sure of that.. you dont need gear bro

Man I know Im still light. That's because with my first two cycles I ran winstrol only. NOVICE I know. But now I'm looking to do it the right way and I need help designing a plan. Can you help me? Im pretty sold on the test/tren stack but Im not sure on dosages PCT etc. I know dudes dont recommend roids to people my age but Im gonna do it with or without your help but I would REALLY appreciate it if you could send me a proper cycle for the gains I'm looking for

 

[Fish_easy23]

You said you want mass an strength while still fast. Iv heard keeping up on cardio is hard on tren.
Also idk if you should run tren. Havin no experience. You don't give the keys of a Lamborghini to some still with a permit

I dont need cardio. Im a closer I come in and max effort about 20 pitches a game. I would agree with you on your stack but I have heard for pitchers not to take dbol because it can have harsh effects on the ligaments

 

[Spunkey71]

Have you had a blood panel done to see where you are at with your hormones? If you ran two cycles that consisted of Winstrol alone and nothing else you might have shut down your natty T and could benefit greatly from a restart.

 

[Sardis23]

Plain and simple, if you're set on a cycle and all you have ever used is Winstrol (winny) you should do a test only cycle. Tren should only be used by more experienced people. You have no idea how it will affect you so it is not wise to add more compounds. Simple test e/c for 12 weeks. Use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) during cycle not nova, save it for pct. Also throw clomid in pct. But the best advice would be to get with 3j if you really want to improve.

 

[308power]

Ever thought that the reason there were no tren doses in the link to "Cycling for Beginners" is because you shouldnt use tren as a beginner?

I am a pro strength athlete and willingly abuse my body, but wont run tren until about 4 weeks out from a meet because of the side effects.

 

[DipKing]

Dude, that's false I started at 165 and If all you need was food than we wouldn't have such a growing number of users in the MLB. Trust me I have been playing at a division 1 school for 4 years now and almost all players in my league and in the MLB are on some form of steroids. You wouldn't know because you don't play baseball and your not involved in the baseball world...but I am its my whole fuc*&ing life! which is why I am willing to take this 3rd cycle regardless of the side effects. So, if you don't want to help me with plan than pick on somebody else.
One last thing, I know my gains have been small but thats because both times I took 1 10ml bottle of Wini-V thats it.

Shit, sorry. You play baseball, not basketball. I would actually expect you to be considerably larger being a baseball player than a basketball player though. And I was a gymnast at a Division 1 school, I know what it takes to compete among the best. Either way, best thing you can do is read all the stickies at the top of the forums. Valuable information, and accurate, too.

 

[ozzyozzy21]

If you're hell bent here you go. I agree with what other before have said. This is your first real cycle so I'd suggest test @ 500mg/week for 10-15 weeks depending on how long you are comfortable running a cycle. Use test e or c if pinning is an issue. You can pin those two every 3.5 days. Prop is your other option. Lots of folks say it keeps you leaner and reduces bloat. Idk if I agree. Ran them all and my diet and Aromatase inhibitor (AI) help decide how lean I look. W the prop you'll need to pin every other day which can be problematic for newbies. Def never run Winstrol (winny) again as a baseball player. It dries you out and is rough on the ligiments. IF you must throw in an oral if suggest anavar @50mg/day for the last 6 weeks. Again the best advice is to tweak your diet as others before me have said. Also, you need to research pct and have ALL OF THAT BEFORE YOUR FIRST PIN. In your original post you have listed nolva durning cycle. Just don't. That's an old school technique. Now run a real Aromatase inhibitor (AI) like aremidex or aromasin. You have some room to grow naturally but what I've given you is a solid first cycle.

 

[Fish_easy23]

If you're hell bent here you go. I agree with what other before have said. This is your first real cycle so I'd suggest test @ 500mg/week for 10-15 weeks depending on how long you are comfortable running a cycle. Use test e or c if pinning is an issue. You can pin those two every 3.5 days. Prop is your other option. Lots of folks say it keeps you leaner and reduces bloat. Idk if I agree. Ran them all and my diet and Aromatase inhibitor (AI) help decide how lean I look. W the prop you'll need to pin every other day which can be problematic for newbies. Def never run Winstrol (winny) again as a baseball player. It dries you out and is rough on the ligiments. IF you must throw in an oral if suggest anavar @50mg/day for the last 6 weeks. Again the best advice is to tweak your diet as others before me have said. Also, you need to research pct and have ALL OF THAT BEFORE YOUR FIRST PIN. In your original post you have listed nolva durning cycle. Just don't. That's an old school technique. Now run a real Aromatase inhibitor (AI) like aremidex or aromasin. You have some room to grow naturally but what I've given you is a solid first cycle.

You seem quite knowledgeable and your not bashing me in anyway which I really appreciate because others seem to love doing so. But listen this is my last cycle because I'm going to get drafted this year, so I'm not worried about the sides(If your wondering why I would do this even though I know Im getting drafted, its because as of right now Im looking low rounds but a scout told me that if I could gain 2-3 miles an hour I could be looking top 15 rounds). After the cycle Im going to get blood work and work with a doctor Etc. The only thing that I am worried about is making sure that I do the cycle the right way. So, hypothetically imagine that I am an experienced roider, would the cycle I put up in my first post be decent or what? Any other support supplements you would use? How about the dosages are they correct? Please just help me out by letting me know if the cycle and PCT I put up are something a experience roider would consider if trying to get massive strength gains without massive amounts of bulk.

 

[Fish_easy23]

Shit, sorry. You play baseball, not basketball. I would actually expect you to be considerably larger being a baseball player than a basketball player though. And I was a gymnast at a Division 1 school, I know what it takes to compete among the best. Either way, best thing you can do is read all the stickies at the top of the forums. Valuable information, and accurate, too.

Really all I want to know is if my dosages are correct. I'm stuck on the Tren/test stack because thats what a lot of pitchers do and have amazing results. I have had blood work done and Im fine in all aspects, so Im ready to jump into this stuff, can you help me out. I want to know what support supplements you would take to minimize side effects and also problems that may occur further down the road

 

[Fish_easy23]

Ever thought that the reason there were no tren doses in the link to "Cycling for Beginners" is because you shouldnt use tren as a beginner?

I am a pro strength athlete and willingly abuse my body, but wont run tren until about 4 weeks out from a meet because of the side effects.

Can you just answer this question please, Im getting a bit desperate to get the information I am looking for. Listen, I know this isnt the best idea in the world and I know Im going to have some side effects. But, Im going to do this! can you please give some good dosages you would take and a complete list of support supplements. Also , Obviously Im going to need a great PCT so what would you recommencement their?

 

[Fish_easy23]

I agree and Im following your nutrition plan now or something very similar. Can you just help me to come up with all the support supplements Im going to need and a proper PCT. Also, are my tren/test dosages proper? I know thats not to intense of a cycle but for what Im looking for do you think that looks good?

 

[Fish_easy23]

Also would you run the Aremidex during cycle and post or only post? and at what dosages? also if I run the aremidex do I still need Nolva? Hahah and are my Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) dosages correct on my original plan?

 

[DipKing]

Really all I want to know is if my dosages are correct. I'm stuck on the Tren/test stack because thats what a lot of pitchers do and have amazing results. I have had blood work done and Im fine in all aspects, so Im ready to jump into this stuff, can you help me out. I want to know what support supplements you would take to minimize side effects and also problems that may occur further down the road

Honestly, I would tell you to wait, but since you've already delved into exogenous hormones before I can't. What's done is done. The best thing you can do is get bloodwork done and see where your levels are currently. I've heard of baseball players running winstrol only cycles around the Texas area, but a test base is a must. The human body uses testosterone for much more than muscle building, and injecting hormones will hinder/halt this natural production. I wouldn't run tren. I can't imagine the pains those guys must get pitching on the stuff. Testosterone is all you need. All that information and more is in the stickies at the top of the forums. But like I said, get bloodwork done and see where your levels are at.

 

[Fish_easy23]

Honestly, I would tell you to wait, but since you've already delved into exogenous hormones before I can't. What's done is done. The best thing you can do is get bloodwork done and see where your levels are currently. I've heard of baseball players running winstrol only cycles around the Texas area, but a test base is a must. The human body uses testosterone for much more than muscle building, and injecting hormones will hinder/halt this natural production. I wouldn't run tren. I can't imagine the pains those guys must get pitching on the stuff. Testosterone is all you need. All that information and more is in the stickies at the top of the forums. But like I said, get bloodwork done and see where your levels are at.

I got blood work done about a week ago..I'm golden, no hormonal problems. Its been a year since my last wini cycle. And I cant wait any longer once I get drafted I will be tested pretty regularly.

 

[3ct]

If you would spend time researching / searching this forum and googling you would find all your answers and more. No need to sit here all night sounding desperate there's a huge amount of info all the basic questions you're asking have even asked before numerous times. I haven't ran tren yet but even I know the answers to most of the basic questions you're asking all by researching, didn't have to ask anybody anything it's all been asked before and answered probably hundreds of times.

Take some initiative to do the research and seek the answers on your own if you're really serious, instead of asking to be spoon-fed. Everybody is different nobody can custom tailor a cycle for you, get out there and do the research and determine for yourself what would be best for you.

 

[308power]

Can you just answer this question please, Im getting a bit desperate to get the information I am looking for. Listen, I know this isnt the best idea in the world and I know Im going to have some side effects. But, Im going to do this! can you please give some good dosages you would take and a complete list of support supplements. Also , Obviously Im going to need a great PCT so what would you recommencement their?

I dont have the answer for you. Many like low test high tren, some like test higher at all times. Im doing a meet in 5 weeks so, Im at a gram of test e, 600 deca, 600 eq, and then im going to blast 1g of tren a for 4 weeks and add in my orals. Drugs can be used in so many different ways it is astounding.

I hate tren with a passion. I dont know why anyone who isnt competing would use it, but as I understand, some do not experience the same harsh side effects that I do.

If, this is all in speculation, someone was going to run test and tren for the first time... they should already have 5 or so cycles under their belt, know how to manage e2, know how to manage progesterone and prolactin, be emotionally stable, and have a regimented program and diet....

500 test, 200 tren.

Acetate and test prop.
150 test p mon wed fri
50mg tren a mon wed fri.

As far as the supplements and things of that matter... Im not here to tell you everything. You have a mind of your own and need to research, man...

 

[DipKing]

If, this is all in speculation, someone was going to run test and tren for the first time... they should already have 5 or so cycles under their belt, know how to manage e2, know how to manage progesterone and prolactin, be emotionally stable, and have a regimented program and diet....

My first cycle included 100mg of tren a ed for 10 weeks without any of the criteria mentioned above met besides debateably a decent training program and diet. Notice how ignorant I was right there? It was a disaster. Too much on the plate and too little experience. I would not run tren first cycle.