250 - 300mg/WK Test only cycle??

[FitnessBro]

After a little bit of reading, I came across this:

there is a good study about the effects of 300 vs 600-the gains are better and the sides are the same. i personally would never cycle lower than 500mg

this was posted at setroidology by StoncoldNTO



The following is part of a thread by heavyiron over at MD,

The following text outlines the benefits and risks of testosterone administration based on a clinical human trial of 61 healthy men in 2001. The purpose of the trial was to determine the dose dependency of testosterone***8217;s effects on fat-free mass and muscle performance. In this trial 61 men, 18-35years old were randomized into 5 groups receiving weekly injections of 25, 50, 125, 300, 600 mg of Testosterone Enanthate for 20 weeks. They had previous weight-lifting experience and normal T levels. Their nutritional intake was standardized and they did not undertake any strength training during the trial. The only two groups that reported significant muscle building benefits were the 300 and 600 mg groups so any dose lower than 300mg will not be considered in this essay. 12 men participated in the 300 mg group and 13 men in the 600 mg group.
600mg of Testosterone a week for 20 weeks resulted in the following benefits. Increased fat free mass, muscle strength, muscle power, muscle volume, hemoglobin and igf-1.
The same 600 mg administration resulted in 2 side effects. HDL cholesterol was negatively correlated and 2 men developed acne.
The normal range for total T in men is 241-827 ng/dl according to Labcorp and 260-1000 ng/dl according to Quest Laboratories. The normal range for IGF-1 is 81-225 according to Labcorp. Total T and IGF-1 levels were taken after 16 weeks and resulted in the following;

Total Testosterone
300 mg group-1,345 ng/dl a 691 ng increase from baseline
600 mg group-2,370 ng/dl a 1,737 ng increase from baseline

IGF-1
300 mg group-388 ng/dl a 74 ng increase from baseline
600 mg group-304 ng/dl a 77 ng increase from baseline

Body composition was measured after 20 weeks.

Fat Free Mass by underwater weighing
300 mg group-5.2kg (11.4lbs) increase
600 mg group-7.9kg (17.38lbs) increase
Fat Mass by underwater weighing
300 mg group-.5kg (1.1lbs) decrease
600 mg group-1.1kg (2.42lbs) decrease
Thigh Muscle Volume
300 mg group-84 cubic centimeter increase
600 mg group-126 cubic centimeter increase
Quadriceps Muscle Volume
300 mg group-43 cubic centimeter increase
600 mg group-68 cubic centimeter increase
Leg Press Strength
300 mg group-72.2kg (158.8lbs) increase
600 mg group-76.5kg (168.3lbs) increase
Leg Power
300 mg group-38.6 watt increase
600 mg group-48.1 watt increase
Hemoglobin
300 mg group-6.1 gram per liter increase
600 mg group-14.2 gram per liter increase
Plasma HDL Cholesterol
300 mg group-5.7 mg/dl decrease
600 mg group-8.4 mg/dl decrease
Acne
300 mg group-7 of the 12 men developed acne
600 mg group-2 of the 13 men developed acne

If the results are about the same, would Test E 250mg per week for 10weeks be a good first cycle?

I've also read that dudes gained anywhere from 15-25lbs on a 12wk 300mg Test E only cycle, could be true??

I'd like to read some of your experiences with low dose Test cycles.

 

[Roush]

I ran my first cycle at 250 mg of test cyp every 5 days.. Did it for 20 weeks with huge gains .. Not a traditional cycle though as I did no pct and went to trt dose after.

It depends on your baseline.. If you been training for 5 years and your natural test levels are 580 ngnl.. Then replacing that with 200 mg a week of test cyp ain't shit.. Get your baselines, stats, etc.. Done and you'll better know where u need to be..

Mg per mg we are not all the same,, one guy may need 700 mg a week, another only 350,, and it depends on length of cycle

 

[FitnessBro]

I remember you helping me out on another thread, and after looking into Test only cycles, I'm really intrigued with the amount of gains that people have claimed. I haven't had labs done yet, but will well before starting a cycle. Hypothetically, if my stats were about average, how would this cycle look:

Weeks 1-8: 300mg Test E, .5mg Adex EOD
Weeks 10-14: Aromasin 15mg/15/7.5/7.5 EOD, Nolva 40/40/20/20 EOD, Clomid 80/60/30/30 EOD

 

[tbonexl]

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a.../675497-ology-frequently-asked-questions.html

8 weeks of test e regardless of what dose is too short. Ai does not belong in pct. Read the link...

 

[tbonexl]

Here's a link to your other thread-

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/676272-good-cycle-pct.html

 

[tbonexl]

Here's a link to your other thread-

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/676272-good-cycle-pct.html

 

[Roush]

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a.../675497-ology-frequently-asked-questions.html

8 weeks of test e regardless of what dose is too short. Ai does not belong in pct. Read the link...

^^ this..

What is it about young guys and 8 weeks,, I guess when I was young, 8 weeks seemed like a long time , maybe,, 8 weeks ain't shit for anything to get accomplished

 

[CageBreed]

aint nothing wrong with 300mgs a week!

 

[tbonexl]

^^ this..

What is it about young guys and 8 weeks,, I guess when I was young, 8 weeks seemed like a long time , maybe,, 8 weeks ain't shit for anything to get accomplished

Spring break... They think they're going to turn into a greek god in a couple months...

 

[Black Beard]

With good genes and impeccable training, you would probably see good gains. That level of testosterone is what i call "super TRT" lol. Too many guys try to make up for diet and training with insane amounts of AAS. Natural or enhanced, i would give at least 12 weeks for any kind of transformation. That's a good time span for a cut/bulk/recomp to take noticeable visual effect.