26 and Low T

[LethalDiesel]

This is an important point. Only those very familiar with male hormones should be prescribing HRT. There are lots of doctors and companies that are very well versed on male HRT. Everyone here, including me, has a strong loyalty to Chip and his doctors because they have the perfect trifecta of knowledge, price, and amazing customer service.

I've started looking into using Chip, just not quite sure if it's something I can afford without insurance coverage. I won't know until I can actually look into it more obviously.

Also, like it was mentioned earlier about not getting on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) if we're trying to conceive. I understand the reasoning behind it, but it's also difficult to try to conceive if the sex drive isn't there and if you're having ED problems that's making it even worse.

My wife has PCOS and we've already done several attempts with Clomid and followed the protocol that her Dr wrote for us which hasn't worked. We won't be going ahead with any other approaches until we can get my hormones straight.

 

[LethalDiesel]

Alright here is my most recent lab results:

Testosterone: 368.43 (175-781 ng/dL)
hFSH: 4.35 (1.31-12.09 mIU/mL)
hLH: 2.89 (1.50-9.30 mIU/mL)

TSH: 6.820H uIU/mL (.450 - 4.50)
T3: 106 ng/dL (71-180)
T4: 7.5 ug/dL (4.5-12.0)

Estrogens, Total: 67 pg/mL

Vitamin D, 25 Hydroxy: 25.9L ng/mL (30.0-100.0)

They put me on Androderm 4g/day.

 

[ceomuscle58]

Alright here is my most recent lab results:

Testosterone: 368.43 (175-781 ng/dL)
hFSH: 4.35 (1.31-12.09 mIU/mL)
hLH: 2.89 (1.50-9.30 mIU/mL)

TSH: 6.820H uIU/mL (.450 - 4.50)
T3: 106 ng/dL (71-180)
T4: 7.5 ug/dL (4.5-12.0)

Estrogens, Total: 67 pg/mL

Vitamin D, 25 Hydroxy: 25.9L ng/mL (30.0-100.0)

They put me on Androderm 4g/day.

You're going to need some Anastrozole to bring down those Estrogen numbers or else you probably will feel like crap! 1mg dosage E5D would probably do the trick. I would supplement 5000IU of Vitamin D a day to bring up those levels as well. Also look into taking 3 capsules of ZMA before you go to bed. ZMA is a very underrated supplement IMO. I would get your LH, SHBG, and FSH tested as well.

 

[LethalDiesel]

Update: New doctor's office has put me on Synthroid. and Test injections at 200mg/2 weeks. I tried to get them to let me self administer the injections so I don't have to take time off work every two weeks to get a shot, Doctor agreed but then when he mentioned it to the nurse she disagreed and claims that these injections can't be done at home.

 

[Frustrated1]

I missed some updates you posted. It does seem like something thyroid, glad they have you on something.

I doubt that 200 test/2weeks will work very well. I have no idea what the deal is with the nurse, but she's not too bright. I'm afraid that you'll have very low numbers on day 14, actually every day past the first 4 or 5 days at that level. If he just writes you a script, you'll be good. Even if it's just for 200e2w, just get some more needles, and divide it up.

I take all that back. Do as they say. Tell him you feel like crap on the 2nd visit, you will feel like crap. Have them retest blood. You'll be plumeted. T crashed. He'll up your dose. Then have him let you do self inject. Start right in his office on the first day. When your comfortable you'll be able to do it yourself.

Your total estrogen is actually slightly low, no Aromatase inhibitor (AI) for you. The E2 is what you need tested. Should be in the 20's. Total doesn't mean too much, other than don't mistake it for e2. I'm saying your good for now.

 

[Nordic11]

Update: New doctor's office has put me on Synthroid. and Test injections at 200mg/2 weeks. I tried to get them to let me self administer the injections so I don't have to take time off work every two weeks to get a shot, Doctor agreed but then when he mentioned it to the nurse she disagreed and claims that these injections can't be done at home.

The 200mg E2W is on the low side but some people do well with a similar dose (albeit split up). If your doc is stuck on the dose, 100mg EW may be an okay place to start and then run labs 8 weeks later.

I understand the hesitancy for any doctor to prescribe self injections. Injections are very invasive on the body since you are, obviously, penetrating the skin and introduction of contaminants could lead to infections. Of all the testosterone administration methods, injections and pellets are the most invasive. It is for this reason that many doctors prefer to start with the least evasive administration method (gels).

IMHO, your best bet is ASK (never tell) your doctor how the 8 day half life of test cyp will make you feel by the end of your 14 day injection protocol if you go with the 200mg injection every two weeks.

As with anything, convicing others to change their minds takes some finesse. Use leading questions to address your concerns and approach your doctor as if you really are trying to learn and understand. With any luck, you will help him realize the E2W schedule is a bad idea and he will allow you to self administer. If not, it is probably time to join the Maximus brotherhood.

 

[ceomuscle58]

The 200mg E2W is on the low side but some people do well with a similar dose (albeit split up). If your doc is stuck on the dose, 100mg EW may be an okay place to start and then run labs 8 weeks later.

I understand the hesitancy for any doctor to prescribe self injections. Injections are very invasive on the body since you are, obviously, penetrating the skin and introduction of contaminants could lead to infections. Of all the testosterone administration methods, injections and pellets are the most invasive. It is for this reason that many doctors prefer to start with the least evasive administration method (gels).

IMHO, your best bet is ASK (never tell) your doctor how the 8 day half life of test cyp will make you feel by the end of your 14 day injection protocol if you go with the 200mg injection every two weeks.

As with anything, convicing others to change their minds takes some finesse. Use leading questions to address your concerns and approach your doctor as if you really are trying to learn and understand. With any luck, you will help him realize the E2W schedule is a bad idea and he will allow you to self administer. If not, it is probably time to join the Maximus brotherhood.

I agree with Nordic about weekly shots versus bi-weekly. Goto this link below and print this study out and show your doctor. Weekly shots = better quality of life brother!!!

Medibolics

 

[LethalDiesel]

My doctor actually TOLD me that he would rather me self administer them instead of having to make a trip to his office for the nurse to do my injection every two weeks. But the nurse then told him that they can't be self administered because of "Where the injection is done"

I would have split my injections into 50mg/twice a week if I was self administering them as I've read enough to know that E2W is a hormonal roller-coaster. I'm just trying to find more information on self administering my testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) so that I can have proof that it is possible.

 

[03ACE]

She is FOS. IM injections are done at home all the time, for all different kinds of meds.

 

[Nordic11]

I'm just trying to find more information on self administering my testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) so that I can have proof that it is possible.

You just want proof that intramuscular injections can be self administered?

 

[LethalDiesel]

You just want proof that intramuscular injections can be self administered?

Pretty much, the nurse claims that it can only be done in one spot and it couldn't be self administered. I would just like something to show her that proves it.

 

[Frustrated1]

She is stupid. Prove water is wet. WTF. You'll not be able to convince her of anything. Is she even a registered nurse? Ask for proof, because every nurse on the planet knows that shots IM, can be done in any and all major muscles. Maybe I'm wrong and they don't teach that anymore. My mother was an RN, graduated in the early 70's, retired now. She knows ALL about IM injections, and every place they can be done. I think your nurse is taking your T, because she is deffinetly on a power trip.

 

[jon emberlin]

She is FOS. IM injections are done at home all the time, for all different kinds of meds.

My doctor told me it dosent take a rocket scientiest to self inject!!

 

[LethalDiesel]

Really getting fed up with dealing with doctor's offices. Went today for my injection, even called my local pharmacy this morning before I went to the Dr. just so that I could have some information that it can be self-administered and that still didn't do any good.

Nurse claims that it can't be self-administered, because of "where the shot has to be given, only a RN can do it." As I was leaving I asked for a copy of my latest lab work and physical, and they claimed they couldn't give me that information. Finally after about 10 minutes of talking to them about it they decided they could mail that information to me.

 

[Frustrated1]

Really getting fed up with dealing with doctor's offices. Went today for my injection, even called my local pharmacy this morning before I went to the Dr. just so that I could have some information that it can be self-administered and that still didn't do any good.

Nurse claims that it can't be self-administered, because of "where the shot has to be given, only a RN can do it." As I was leaving I asked for a copy of my latest lab work and physical, and they claimed they couldn't give me that information. Finally after about 10 minutes of talking to them about it they decided they could mail that information to me.

This sounds all to familiar to most of us here. The problem is that there are control freaks like the one that you go to. And there is nothing you can do with them. You could ask for proof, but it doesn't exist, and it will piss them off. So you will end up going with another MD or endo. Most endo's don't know HRT, most MD don't have experience. So you are left with finding a HRT specialist or living the way you are. You can look for a HRT specialist, and I wish you luck. Anti Aging Dr.'s probably do know there stuff, but are damn expensive. I called every compounding company in my city. For me it was a dead end. I mean I could go and pay through the nose. I've been there, done that, and never want to go through all the bullshit ever again. It made me the Frustrated1. I got to the point of dick head at work. Every time I went to an appointment, I'd say so, not that anybody cares. I really didn't care if I got hit by a car, bus, train, whatever. I just didn't care. Bad place to be.

Maximus reduced my stress big time. In fact I received my hormones and pins just this Tuesday. I'm feeling great, and they have been great dealing with. When I talked with them it was a relief just to know that somebody on this planet actually understands and cares.

 

[Nordic11]

Really getting fed up with dealing with doctor's offices. Went today for my injection, even called my local pharmacy this morning before I went to the Dr. just so that I could have some information that it can be self-administered and that still didn't do any good.

Nurse claims that it can't be self-administered, because of "where the shot has to be given, only a RN can do it." As I was leaving I asked for a copy of my latest lab work and physical, and they claimed they couldn't give me that information. Finally after about 10 minutes of talking to them about it they decided they could mail that information to me.

Time to give up and move on to the next doctor. Alternatively, you can save yourself a ton of time and money and just get with Maximus.

 

[SicVic]

i followed the below protocol and we were having babies in 3 months.

Any testosterone that you take will shut down your own production...in order for your natural test levels to recover you cannot take any testosterone or aas at all. Aromasin is an aromatase inhibitor that also increases natural testosterone production...

Here is what i would do:

Wk 1: 1500iu of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 2x per week (mon, thurs), 25mg of aromasin per day
wk 2: 1500iu of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 2x per week (mon, thurs), 25mg of aromasin per day
wk 3: 1000iu of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 2x per week (mon, thurs), 25mg of aromasin per day
wk 4: 1000iu of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 2x per week (mon, thurs), 25mg of aromasin per day
wk 5: 100mg of clomid per day, 25mg of aromasin per day
wk 6: 50mg of clomid per day, 25mg of aromasin per day
wk 7: 50mg of clomid per day, 25mg of aromasin per day
wk 8: 50mg of clomid per day, 25mg of aromasin per day
wk 9-10: 25mg of aromasin per day

remember during this time you cannot take any aas whatsoever...no test, no gels, nothing... 2-3 weeks after you are finished this protocol get your test and sperm count checked again.

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