2nd Cycle Low test/Deca please chime in !

keilani

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So its been about 2 years since my first cycle of just test c at 500mg per week and im thinking about getting on the gear again. I am 27 , 5'7 sitting at about 180lbs give or take, 15% body fat and been working out for about 4 years on and off. I got alot of sides from the test for my first cycle such as hair loss and hair loss haha so i want to keep the test low on this one , i know i know alot of people think test should be ran higher.. don't care its not happening . I will just try to combat the prolactin and estrogen to avoid deca dick.

I have on hand 2 10ml vials of Test E from epharma and 2 vials of Deca Deconate from Faer labs, I have 18 20mg pills of nolva and i have access to clomid , HCG and also caber.

so.... thinking of running it like this
week 1-12 Test E 250mg a week
week 1-10 deca 350mg a week
week 3-12 caber .25 2wice a week


PCT 2 weeks after last jab
need help ...There is alot of conflicting information about how Nolva should not be used with Deca so i would love it if someone with experience could clear this up as i can just use clomid if thats the case. also is HCG really necessary i did use it for my test cycle but ya...

My Diet is pretty good getting in upwards of 3200 cal a day , always try for 250 to 300 grams of protein a day. Always take Zma's ,vitamin b6 , omegas , tribulis , a multi , vitamin d... probably something im forgetting.

Any help would be much appreciated , thank you in advance for reading my post

Keilani
 
Hey dude,

If test causes balding for you, then I agree run the test a little lower however you may find your libido to be tanked or have some ED but running a dopamine agonist should help and needs to be run with deca anyway.

I have read conflicting reports of Nolva being a no-no with 19-nors (tren and deca) in that it upregulates the progesterone receptor or has some effect on it, conflicting and I'm not sure if there is proof to it. I would try controlling your e2 with an AI, not using Nolva as it still leaves estrogen at high levels.

If you can get hCG then definitely get it and if you can get enough to run the whole cycle with then do so leading all the way up to PCT (don't run it in PCT with a SERM). If not, try get the hCG for the last few weeks atleast leading into PCT and deca will shut you down quite well.

Look into Toremifene for PCT, it is superior than Nolva and/or Clomid combined.

BTW, SERMS and AI's can be purchased from AR-R, our board sponsor, they are legit and top quality ;)
 
I'd highly suggest running HCG throughout your cycle. Someone else can comment on your pct question.

Btw is your goal a lean bulk? You should lower your bf% by a few points before starting.
 
thanks for the input gentlemen

I can def add Hcg to the regiment at 250ius twice a week. I dont want to run toremifene because it increases seizure activity and i have seizures in my sleep at times :(.

PCT is still a mystery at the point ...
 
PCT = Nolva and clomid 4-6 weeks.

Also, Deca should be stopped before test cycle ends. 1-2 weeks before last test injection. PCT starts 2 weeks after last test injection.
 
Your body fat% definitely needs to be 12% or lower to use. The higher it is the more test will convert into estrogen and make unfavorable "sides". I typically suggest if you cant see abdominal definition then you're not ready. If you're prone to hair loss it's probly a genetic affinity to do so with the DHT mechanism in which case any AAS are a problem. Maybe rethink your approach and try GH or just GH peptides instead.
 
I can def see my abs.... i was just approx guessing my body fat. I will take a picture later today and post when i have a chance. Not really interested in peptides , I know hair loss will always be an issue if your prone to mpb and using aas. Im going to see if using less test will keep this minimal . "JuicyJuggalo " if you were to "rethink my approach" what would you recommend other than peptides...

Thanks STAUNCHED427 for pointing that out ! hows the TRT going?

Keilani
 
I can def see my abs.... i was just approx guessing my body fat. I will take a picture later today and post when i have a chance. Not really interested in peptides , I know hair loss will always be an issue if your prone to mpb and using aas. Im going to see if using less test will keep this minimal . "JuicyJuggalo " if you were to "rethink my approach" what would you recommend other than peptides...

Thanks STAUNCHED427 for pointing that out ! hows the TRT going?

Keilani

TRT is going great! I'd say I'm not far from dialed in, most likely going to drop the T dose a little bit and start an arimidex alongside (verified via bloodtest).
 
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