2nd cycle - most likely Helladrol. Need some advices

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gvnch

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Im 25y old, 5'10, 178lbs, +-12%bf, experienced @ nutrition and trainings. I had my 1st PH cycle (6 weeks long) year ago (havoc, cycle support, tamox in PCT). My goal is build some lean mass. I decided to try Helladrol.

CYCLE
1-6 Helladrol: 75/100/100/100/100/100
1-6 HCGenerate: 5 caps/day @ 6 weeks
1-6 AI Cycle Support: 2 scoops/day @ 6 weeks
1-6 Joint Supplements, Fish Oil, Taurine

PCT
7-10 Clomid: 50/50/50/50
7-10 Creatine Monohydrate 5g/day
7-10 post cycle or daa or HCGenerate or everything together??

But Im kinda confused about:
1. Clomid - should i take it 50/50/50/50 or 50/50/25/25?
2. Should I add something to the cycle? PCT seems kinda week to me.
3. What about HCG and Cycle Support? I need to buy 2 bottles each for 6 weeks - its lot of money tho! Is there any alternative?
I have NAC / Milk Thistle / Hawthorn Berries from first cycle. Maybe I can save few scoops of Cycle Support taking my herbal mix w/ 1 scoop of AI Cycle Support instead of 2 for 1,5 weeks. Its not a bad idea, is it?


THANKS.
 
ye, I was satisfied. I was 23 years old, no sides. But I have also strong cycle support - my own mix of milk thistle/berries/vitamins/minerals/nac/liv52 etc
 
Ok , i'm 21 , and i hesitated of doing a cycle , but didnt do it cause i'm too young , but maybe i'll do it in some months , depends..
I alreday have the product , olympus labs Epistane , Nolva , cycle support ( AR1MACARE PRO ) and NAC / Milk T / Haw Berry / and some fish oil , also got SUP3R PCT for pct with nolva, and got clomid too.

How much LBS of lean muscle did you gain ? and kept after the pct?
 
u are too young, but its your life, your decision. I dont remember how much i gain, but it was few kilos, lower bodyfat, better definition, dry effect, more strength and ye, I kept a lot of mass.
But please stick to my 1st post
 
Holla guys, checkin in after 21 days (half of my cycle).
I feel lethargic last week, even if I kickin in some caffeine + my joints kinda hurts. But no other sides.
Still feel stronger and gym sessions are perfect!
Overall I put on 3,8 kg (which is 0,3kg more against my first Havoc cycle in 21 days)...

Looking good tho, muscles are bigger, abs are more visible!

Everything is fine except lethargia and joint hurts
Hope next 3 weeks will be good!

Should I start taking DAA/CLOMID for the estrogen purposes? I received advice, that my joints hurt because I have low estrogen. DAA and clomid will convert to estrogen.

THANKS!
 
drop the Ai bro helladrol doesn't convert to estrogen at any rate, that should help your joints.
For pct a low dosage of clomid added in would be all you need.
 
I'm in my first week of helladrol. Actually finished the first week today. Before that I did 8 weeks of osta and went right into helladrol. Man, the lethargy has been hitting me hard this week.
 
Hello, I complete my cycle 4 days ago so I will try to post some "mini" report (first, sorry for my english)

I was satisfied with Hella! I feel like I didnt put on that much "dry" gains against my first Havoc cycle, but my calories intake may be the reason, because I was eating much more calories (I mean, I put on great mass, but not that "dry"). Also, I wanted bulking, so I am fine with that. My shape, my strength progress, my gains, my motivation were all struggling like 6-7 months and I just needed to do something. Hella helped me a lot, so I am happy!

Lethargy disappeared. I had that lethargic feels like 3-4 days. After that time, I just felt kinda tired some days for a 1-2 hours. So I am really glad, because that was annoying as **** those 3 days. Joint pain was also better, I just eat more fish oil and more grams of my joint supplements. I can tell, that sides were really negligible.

Strength increase was really, really great. I hit some PRs... I dont know what else say about this. I was really happy.
Overall I put on 6,2 kg. Got lot of compliments that I look really good, that Im huge, so that mass increase was obviously visible. My arms size increased about 3cm, which is unbelievable (cuz size of my arms was same for a loooong time), still cant believe to this, hah.

Now, I am on PCT - clomid, DAA, hawthorn berries, fish oil, vit D, creatine monohydrate and AI Cycle Support.
But also I am kinda sad. I know that I didnt put on 6,2kg of MUSCLES, of course I did not. But after 4 days of my PCT my weigth decrease about 1,5kg :-( What Can I expect after 4 weeks, heh. Still eating that calories, still training hard and I dont want to lose all that weight I put on... What should I do? But I think there is not any solution, is there?

Thanks for advices and so on guys, appreciate!
 
gvnch said:
Hello, I complete my cycle 4 days ago so I will try to post some "mini" report (first, sorry for my english)

I was satisfied with Hella! I feel like I didnt put on that much "dry" gains against my first Havoc cycle, but my calories intake may be the reason, because I was eating much more calories (I mean, I put on great mass, but not that "dry"). Also, I wanted bulking, so I am fine with that. My shape, my strength progress, my gains, my motivation were all struggling like 6-7 months and I just needed to do something. Hella helped me a lot, so I am happy!

Lethargy disappeared. I had that lethargic feels like 3-4 days. After that time, I just felt kinda tired some days for a 1-2 hours. So I am really glad, because that was annoying as **** those 3 days. Joint pain was also better, I just eat more fish oil and more grams of my joint supplements. I can tell, that sides were really negligible.

Strength increase was really, really great. I hit some PRs... I dont know what else say about this. I was really happy.
Overall I put on 6,2 kg. Got lot of compliments that I look really good, that Im huge, so that mass increase was obviously visible. My arms size increased about 3cm, which is unbelievable (cuz size of my arms was same for a loooong time), still cant believe to this, hah.

Now, I am on PCT - clomid, DAA, hawthorn berries, fish oil, vit D, creatine monohydrate and AI Cycle Support.
But also I am kinda sad. I know that I didnt put on 6,2kg of MUSCLES, of course I did not. But after 4 days of my PCT my weigth decrease about 1,5kg :-( What Can I expect after 4 weeks, heh. Still eating that calories, still training hard and I dont want to lose all that weight I put on... What should I do? But I think there is not any solution, is there?

Thanks for advices and so on guys, appreciate!
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happy to hear you enjoyed your cycle
 
I sure did.

Ordered a bunch of stuff from MrSupps already for cycle 3.
Still looking for input in another thread.
 
NewBorn01 said:
Ok , i'm 21 , and i hesitated of doing a cycle , but didnt do it cause i'm too young , but maybe i'll do it in some months , depends..
I alreday have the product , olympus labs Epistane , Nolva , cycle support ( AR1MACARE PRO ) and NAC / Milk T / Haw Berry / and some fish oil , also got SUP3R PCT for pct with nolva, and got clomid too.

How much LBS of lean muscle did you gain ? and kept after the pct?
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wait till atleast 24-25, using hormones now can mess up your development for good...
 
AlphaDawg said:
I'm in my first week of helladrol. Actually finished the first week today. Before that I did 8 weeks of osta and went right into helladrol. Man, the lethargy has been hitting me hard this week.
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oral only cycles with no test base are not healthy, lethargy is just one of many sides to testless cycles...
 
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