2nd cycle, Prop, NPP and (maybe) Var

[rds63799]

Hi all,

So by the time summer ends, my time on+post cycle therapy (pct)=time off jail sentence will be over and I can cycle again! It's a happy time.

My first cycle was

480mg Test E for 12 weeks
75mg of Var for the first 6

used adex and hCG on cycle, and post cycle therapy (pct) was the typical clomid/nolva affair. Loved it, gained 12lbs, kept 10, and kept 100% of my strength gains (I was particularly proud of that). If the test dose seems a little weird, it was 0.8 of a ml, twice a week. I was trying to be conservative in case of sides but looking back I wish I'd been a little more adventurous.

So for cycle no.2, I am planning an 8 weeker of prop, NPP and anavar. I might not run the Var but I know in my heart I probably will. The prop I will be using has a concentration of 200mg/ml, so I will be running it at 0.8ml eod. This will work out to a little over 600ml a week which I think is pretty reasonable for a second cycle.

As for the NPP, I have heard that 400mg a week is the standard amount to run per week, so considering the NPP I have access to is 200mg/ml that'd be half a ml eod.

I'll run adex at .5mg eod, hCG at 250iu 3x a week and post cycle therapy (pct) will be the classic nolva/clomid combo.

My questions are:

1. Do I need to run the test longer than the NPP? I've seen it recommended to run test longer than Deca, but is that just because Deca has such a long ester? I am not sure if I need to run the test for a week or so longer than the NPP prior to post cycle therapy (pct).

2. Are there any other ancillaries I should run due to the inclusion of the NPP? I have heard prami recommended for use with Deca (GWP stock it so it's no big deal to get some if it's recommended) but most places I've researched people don't seem to bother with it for NPP.

I've always had good advice from this board, and look forward to any help anyone can give.

Thanks
Bob

 

[MN87]

Loved it, gained 12lbs, kept 10, and kept 100% of my strength gains (I was particularly proud of that). \

Very nice... was this supposed to be a bulk, recomp, or cut? I ask because I'm running a very similar cycle as my first...

 

[noobmuscle]

Hey Bob. In my experience, Deca causes sexual sides due to people not understanding how to set up a cycle with it.

1.) You would want to run Test at higher dosage than the NPP. I am running my test at 625 and my deca at 400 as we speak. You will also need to run the test longer. Bullseye suggest running Test at least 4 weeks longer and he has a lot of experience with 19-nors.

2.) When dealing with 19-Nors you do have to mindful of prolactin issues. Look at picking up some caber at one of our research suppliers. Most dose at .5 mg twice a week. I always do mine the same day i do my Deca injection because it is easy to remember.

Don't run Nolvadex as post cycle therapy (pct) off a 19-Nor. It screws with your progesterone. Run a simple clomid post cycle therapy (pct) with an Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) balst if that is your style.

 

[crazyfmike]

Makes no sense to run Prop with NPP. TPP with NPP makes sense.

 

[rds63799]

thanks for the replies fellas

@ MN87 - it was a bulk. Loads of fun, if that's your first cycle then you'll really enjoy it.

@ noobmuscle - so my dose of 600mg of test and 400mg NPP is about right then? When you say to run the test for 4 weeks longer, is that even with the shorter esters of the prop and NPP?

@ mike - could you please explain what you mean? I thought because of the similar pinning schedule (eod) that prop and NPP would be a good combo?

 

[rds63799]

oh and noobmuscle, thanks for your help about the nolva. I didn't know that

 

[brother bundy]

ya bro match does esters tpp npp like a pair of socks

 

[noobmuscle]

oh and noobmuscle, thanks for your help about the nolva. I didn't know that[/QUO

Your welcome my friend. Everything I know about NPP comes from hanging out at boards. I have never ran it myself. Hence why I did not know about the prop and NPP point that Mike brought up. I am interested in learning more about that myself.

To answer your question, yes the dosage is correct. I am running Deca for 15 weeks and test-e for 20 weeks on this cycle. I would rather be safe than sorry with the Deca dick. So Mine is long ester and I am still running it longer by a month.

 

[rds63799]

are you running caber? I've done a bit of reading on prami and it sounds horrid, so whether or not I run the NPP will depend on if I can source some caber,

 

[noobmuscle]

are you running caber? I've done a bit of reading on prami and it sounds horrid, so whether or not I run the NPP will depend on if I can source some caber,

Yes, I am running caber at .5 mg twice a week. I usually do this on injection days because it is easy to remember. Never tried Prami.

 

[rds63799]

people say prami makes them feel sick as a dog and stops them sleeping. Puts me off it a bit. I'll see if I can source some caber, if not then I may just drop the NPP

 

[brother bundy]

people say prami makes them feel sick as a dog and stops them sleeping. Puts me off it a bit. I'll see if I can source some caber, if not then I may just drop the NPP

not to hard to find caber broski not a bad idea to have some prami too..get da shoppin

 

[Bullseye Forever]

Hey Bob. In my experience, Deca causes sexual sides due to people not understanding how to set up a cycle with it.

1.) You would want to run Test at higher dosage than the NPP. I am running my test at 625 and my deca at 400 as we speak. You will also need to run the test longer. Bullseye suggest running Test at least 4 weeks longer and he has a lot of experience with 19-nors.

2.) When dealing with 19-Nors you do have to mindful of prolactin issues. Look at picking up some caber at one of our research suppliers. Most dose at .5 mg twice a week. I always do mine the same day i do my Deca injection because it is easy to remember.

Don't run Nolvadex as PCT off a 19-Nor. It screws with your progesterone. Run a simple clomid PCT with an Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) balst if that is your style.

yea i run my test 4 weeks longer than deca,cause in my case deca hangs around a lot longer,and the mistake i made was quitting my caber after my last inject of deca,that was a mistake lol,i had bad prolactin/progesterone rebound and sexually i couldnt finish at all,never had deca dick at all during or after cycle,so i started my caber back up and over the next 4 weeks after my last deca inject i lowered my test amount between 75mg and 100mg/week until i got back down to my testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose

prolactin and progesterone rebound affects a man's ability to finish,and its a bitch to say the least lol,but caber saved the day,and i ran my caber for an extra 6 weeks to be safe,now that was my case,i dont know if it effects everyone that way,but i know several people who its happened to.Deca even after you quit it hangs around and binds in your BF for a long time,and when you quit the caber it rebounds,but my BF is a little high and that might have been my problem,but hopefully it wont happen again,cause i love deca

 

[rds63799]

not to hard to find caber broski not a bad idea to have some prami too..get da shoppin

send some my way then mate! I can't find it anywhere

 

[rds63799]

yea i run my test 4 weeks longer than deca,cause in my case deca hangs around a lot longer,and the mistake i made was quitting my caber after my last inject of deca,that was a mistake lol,i had bad prolactin/progesterone rebound and sexually i couldnt finish at all,never had deca dick at all during or after cycle,so i started my caber back up and over the next 4 weeks after my last deca inject i lowered my test amount between 75mg and 100mg/week until i got back down to my testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose

prolactin and progesterone rebound affects a man's ability to finish,and its a bitch to say the least lol,but caber saved the day,and i ran my caber for an extra 6 weeks to be safe,now that was my case,i dont know if it effects everyone that way,but i know several people who its happened to.Deca even after you quit it hangs around and binds in your BF for a long time,and when you quit the caber it rebounds,but my BF is a little high and that might have been my problem,but hopefully it wont happen again,cause i love deca

don't much like the sound of those issues. I thought that you only had to run Deca longer because of the ester. I'm not sure how practical the NPP is going to be now seeing as I only want to cycle for 8 weeks...