2nd cycle testosterone Propionate Anavar advice for grandpa

[vught]

Trying to put this cycle together but on the fence about a few decisions can use your help. I'll follow with a log entry as the cycle transpires. Goal is gain some lean mass while avoiding potential bloat issues.
I'm 45. 6-2 225 lbs. BF 15%
Prop: 1-12 150 eod
Anavar (var) : 1-3 75 mg ed
T-bol: 4-6 50 mg ed
Ace:7-12 75 mg eod
A-dex: .25 ed 1-12
Caber: .50 eod 8-12
Hcg: 6-14 250 iu 2x ew
Essentiale forte N (liver support) 1-12
Pct: 2 days after last prop/ace
Clomid: 100/50/50/50
Nolva: 20/20/10/10/10
(Letro on hand, Aromasin, Prami.)
Throw in some Mela-11 , Ir3-Igf3, Winstrol (winny) tabs all on hand & I feel like the guy you see walking out of BassPro with 2 shopping carts who's never been on the water
I'm in the gym 5 days a week & have been for 5 years. I'll detail this later.
My diet is pretty clean detailed later 50/30/20 4k per day.
Stepped in the gym 5 years ago at 295 lbs got down to 205 12% or so. Realized I didn't have alot of muscle at 6-2 decided to do a test-winny cycle put together through some gym science brothers. Basically gain size cut water at the end of 8 week cycle plan. Was taking A-dex throughout with Milk Thistle. I stopped cycle dead in tracks 4 weeks in. Started pct & ran for 6 weeks nolva /clomid.
On this cycle I was taking 50 mg Winstrol (winny) ed
also 40 mg every 2 hours 8 x a day Andriol. Did this for as I say 4 weeks. All orals you realize. Joints hurt 3 weeks in. Did some research hence the reason I shut it all down. I did gain 30 lbs in 4 weeks. I've kept 20 of it 8 weeks now since completing post cycle therapy (pct). To me alot of that weight looks like water so I'm upping my cardio to get that cut look back. I am definitely stronger with the additional weight gain. Got a recent clear bill of health after blood workup. Hopefully the fact I drink very seldom helps what liver damage I did.
I have the Anavar (var) & T-bol on hand & if my research is correct the 2 are suppose to be far easier on the liver. I thought to mix the 2 but can run one or the other or perhaps none with a straight prop cycle. Hence the help. I'm pretty vascular as I'm told & want to hold this look. A little extra fact in the belly area seems to be a problem despite extreme cardio measures. Appreciate you time for reading this & possible direction.

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Moved to the appropriate forum........

 

[Polynikes666]

Seems unnecessarily compicated...

So this is a second, or third cycle? I really need to be clear on this point before I can make a few suggestions.

poly

 

[UserAt204]

I would just go with the test for 10 to 12 weeks. An Aromatase inhibitor (AI) in case bloat. No need to complicate things. Or maybe the test and Tbol. To me you have too many weeks of oral back to back.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

way too complicated bro and unecessary.

You will be much happier and get just as many or more gains with this.

1-12 150mg EOD prop
1-10 100mg EOD tren ace
1-13 25mg ED var

Im not suggesting tren on your second cycle, but if your gnna do it do it right.

 

[vught]

So this is a second, or third cycle? I really need to be clear on this point before I can make a few suggestions.

poly

This is a 2nd cycle for all practical purposes. Thanx for your time.

 

[Cobra Strike]

I think that tren might be a little harsh for a guy your age...but hey I dont know shit! Best of luck bro

 

[vught]

way too complicated bro and unecessary.

You will be much happier and get just as many or more gains with this.

1-12 150mg EOD prop
1-10 100mg EOD tren ace
1-13 25mg ED Anavar (var)

Im not suggesting tren on your second cycle, but if your gnna do it do it right.

I understand & I'm not 100% on the Tren myself. I just have it & thought it would compliment a cutter cycle after completing the orals in 6 weeks to finish out the 12 week cycle. I am however curious as to why just 25 mg Anavar (var) ed. I see many who use this at 100mg ed. I thought I would just go with 50 mg ed but you seem to reason even less. Can you shed some light here? Thanx

 

[rocko3927]

way to many uneeded compunds for someone our age that just wants to look good. i assume your not a pro athlete. why not stick to the basics. i like test and maybe one other compound. your not going to change but so much no matter how much you pump into your body. and you said,......{ "On this cycle I was taking 50 mg Winstrol (winny) ed also 40 mg every 2 hours 8 x a day Andriol. Did this for as I say 4 weeks. All orals you realize. Joints hurt 3 weeks in. Did some research hence the reason I shut it all down. I did gain 30 lbs in 4 weeks. I've kept 20 of it". }.......this is hard for me to believe....why would you want to do anything else if your making incredible non human gains like this off win and drol. you may have a little joint pain but in 3 four week cycles you could gain 60lbs of solid muscle and compete at the master's mr olympia. hell do a fourth cycle and compete at the reg mr o. not trying to be a dick but let's keep it real.

 

[vught]

way to many uneeded compunds for someone our age that just wants to look good. i assume your not a pro athlete. why not stick to the basics. i like test and maybe one other compound. your not going to change but so much no matter how much you pump into your body. and you said,......{ "On this cycle I was taking 50 mg Winstrol (winny) ed also 40 mg every 2 hours 8 x a day Andriol. Did this for as I say 4 weeks. All orals you realize. Joints hurt 3 weeks in. Did some research hence the reason I shut it all down. I did gain 30 lbs in 4 weeks. I've kept 20 of it". }.......this is hard for me to believe....why would you want to do anything else if your making incredible non human gains like this off win and drol. you may have a little joint pain but in 3 four week cycles you could gain 60lbs of solid muscle and compete at the master's mr olympia. hell do a fourth cycle and compete at the reg mr o. not trying to be a dick but let's keep it real.

Oh it's 100% real. I have better things to do with my time then to post bogus facts. I came here for help. Understand that was Andriol not Anadrol. I'm sure alot of the weight was water as I mentioned in fact I still look a little bloated but my strength is up on every exercise which is expected from additional water in my musles. There's not alot of info from results from Andriol cycles so I didn't know what to expect plus that was my body's 1st introduction to any steroid ever aside from an occasional poison ivy Predisone pack. The fact that oral is designed to be absorbed through the bodies lymphatic fat system makes wonder if that made me gain weight so fast. Unsure but that's history & here we are in the now. I may take the advice of test & 1 other complimentary compound thanx.

 

[BigKevKris]

Oh it's 100% real. I have better things to do with my time then to post bogus facts. I came here for help. Understand that was Andriol not Anadrol. I'm sure alot of the weight was water as I mentioned in fact I still look a little bloated but my strength is up on every exercise which is expected from additional water in my musles. There's not alot of info from results from Andriol cycles so I didn't know what to expect plus that was my body's 1st introduction to any steroid ever aside from an occasional poison ivy Predisone pack. The fact that oral is designed to be absorbed through the bodies lymphatic fat system makes wonder if that made me gain weight so fast. Unsure but that's history & here we are in the now. I may take the advice of test & 1 other complimentary compound thanx.

Kind of a HUGE difference between Anadrol and Andriol.... ANdriol being Test Undeconate.....like ORAL test..not oxy methwhatever

 

[07Lane40]

what dosage did you run the andriol at? Ive heard that its not worth it cause you have to run it so high dosage but havent seen any logs or anything.

 

[frankzanefan]

As another old timer...44 yrs. I 100% think you have way too many things in your cart.

I use Test E @ 500 per week
Deca @400 Per week and a Winstrol (winny) or dbol kick start first 30 days or so.

Feel great, look great and strength is better than most who are not competitive powerlifters etc.

Worst part of this is the Deca hurts like hell.

o and i limit the oral, stay mostly pin.

 

[Cobra Strike]

I dont think you need another member to tell you that your incorporating way to much bullshit...as I stated before your getting to old to run tren...you should find another compound that is alot less harsh on your system...hope your bp is g2g because tren will fuck that up and your hdl as well....deca seems to be a smarter and safer choice...I will make this easy...

1-12 deca 400/week....pin mon thurs
1-12 or 14 test e 600-700/week mon thurs
fuck the dbol or whatever kick start oral your thinking about using
if your prone to gyno then aromasin 12.5mg/ed all the way through pct
hcg minimum 500iu x2 pinned mon thurs SQ all the way up until 4 days before pct
14 or 16 (depending when you end your test)-20 clomid 50/50/50/50 or nolva 40/40/20/20 or both

dam that took me 4 min to figure out...your first post is a mess

but you dont have to listen to me....these are my opinions


I dont know shit

 

[vught]

what dosage did you run the andriol at? Ive heard that its not worth it cause you have to run it so high dosage but havent seen any logs or anything.

Exactly right it's rare to find any posts on Andriol. As suggested under it's profile I took this oral every 2 hrs 40mg caps 8 times a day starting at 5am last one at 9pm. Talk about a hassle & I spent good coin on it. I was avoiding the pin & at least got that much accomplished. The Winstrol (winny) tabs were Stan 10 taking 5 for 50mg ed. The Andriol gave me bad headaches & my bp was high. Also the bloat was quite noticeable. It was a mistake nothing I'm proud of in fact I still have about 500 caps as a friendly reminder. I just wanted to be honest about my last cycle to get the best recommendation on the current one & appreciate everyones input. In no way am I trying to push an oral cycle on anyone because of my weight gains that I personally experienced. If it were all muscle that would be different story. I have never pinned but have changed my perspective on it & will.

 

[vught]

I dont think you need another member to tell you that your incorporating way to much bullshit...as I stated before your getting to old to run tren...you should find another compound that is alot less harsh on your system...hope your bp is g2g because tren will fuck that up and your hdl as well....deca seems to be a smarter and safer choice...I will make this easy...

1-12 deca 400/week....pin mon thurs
1-12 or 14 test e 600-700/week mon thurs
fuck the dbol or whatever kick start oral your thinking about using
if your prone to gyno then aromasin 12.5mg/ed all the way through pct
hcg minimum 500iu x2 pinned mon thurs SQ all the way up until 4 days before pct
14 or 16 (depending when you end your test)-20 clomid 50/50/50/50 or nolva 40/40/20/20 or both

dam that took me 4 min to figure out...your first post is a mess

but you dont have to listen to me....these are my opinions


I dont know shit

I appreciate the post. I don't know alot about Deca I'll have to research it. I'll adjust the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) as you mention. I do have Aromasin is it favored as an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) over A-Dex?

 

[vught]

As another old timer...44 yrs. I 100% think you have way too many things in your cart.

I use Test E @ 500 per week
Deca @400 Per week and a Winstrol (winny) or dbol kick start first 30 days or so.

Feel great, look great and strength is better than most who are not competitive powerlifters etc.

Worst part of this is the Deca hurts like hell.

o and i limit the oral, stay mostly pin.

Okay so we have 2 deca fans here. You mention the pain. Joint pain? Certainly not pinning pain. Much thanx for the post.

 

[rocko3927]

Oh it's 100% real. I have better things to do with my time then to post bogus facts. I came here for help. Understand that was Andriol not Anadrol. I'm sure alot of the weight was water as I mentioned in fact I still look a little bloated but my strength is up on every exercise which is expected from additional water in my musles. There's not alot of info from results from Andriol cycles so I didn't know what to expect plus that was my body's 1st introduction to any steroid ever aside from an occasional poison ivy Predisone pack. The fact that oral is designed to be absorbed through the bodies lymphatic fat system makes wonder if that made me gain weight so fast. Unsure but that's history & here we are in the now. I may take the advice of test & 1 other complimentary compound thanx.

ok. my friend i understand and am with you. i posted that i had some similiar gains off a test cycle and peeps called bullshit. i misunderstood what you said then. i thought you were saying you gained 20lb of hard muscle in 4 weeks.... but i do think that we,us older guys, can make great sustainable gains off a couple compounds only....i wish you the best and hope it works out for you.

 

[Cobra Strike]

I appreciate the post. I don't know alot about Deca I'll have to research it. I'll adjust the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) as you mention. I do have Aromasin is it favored as an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) over A-Dex?

yes aromasin is favored...deca doesnt cause joint pain...if anything it helps...some guys will run it at a low dose to "lube" the joints...seriously though....look into dropping the tren and picking up the deca


just my opinions though

 

[vught]

yes aromasin is favored...deca doesnt cause joint pain...if anything it helps...some guys will run it at a low dose to "lube" the joints...seriously though....look into dropping the tren and picking up the deca


just my opinions though

Yeah after some research I read about the benefits of joint relief from Deca. My Aromasin is liquid form. I haven't used it just have it on hand but can switch it out with the A-dex. I was planning on getting this cycle underway in a week. My turnaround appears to be 3-4 weeks on product not on hand. Is there a cycle adjustment to get this thing underway while waiting for the Deca minus the Tren? I don't have a train to catch just curious. Also again curious as to the low 25mg ed suggestion on var. Have you had good results with that dosage? I'm wondering if it's to compensate for taking an oral for over 6 weeks as you mention 25 mg wk 1-12 in your post. Appreciate the feedback.