2nd Cycle Tren and Test Dosage

[kstar66]

Just looking into running my second cycle, my first was a 12 week cycle of test and anavar as a finisher. Currently at around 180 pounds 9.5% BF. Was planning on running test c/tren e, but unsure on the dosages and ratio between the 2; also whether AI would be required with a TRT dose of test and whether I should worry about running caber, side effects and results people have had on this combo are also welcome

 

[oldmusclemike]

Then you need to start reading an studying up.

WElcome please give us your stats

180 lbs and what height. Don't you think ht and wt TOGETER tell us something. YOU could be 4-11 or 6'-8" ?

Age and history please

 

[Roush]

age, full stats, training history, would be beneficial.

If you've ran test as your first cycle, then you should know how much you aromatize using test, therefore only YOU can answer the question on wither you need an AI on a trt dose of test (assuming you got blood work on your last cycle and checked estrogen).

I would NOT recommend tren e for a second cycle, not even a 6th cycle. Tren ace is the way to go. There are other compounds you could try first that have far less sides to deal with then tren for a second cycle (Eq, Tbol, Npp, etc), but if your set on wanting to go right to the Tren , then go with tren ace, around 50mg Eod . keep your test at TRT doses, plan about a 9 week run. have caber on hand in case your prolactin sensitive.

the reason you want to go with Tren ace, is if you can't handle the ride (can't sleep, bad anxiety, can't breath etc.) then you can stop taking it and it will clear your system in a couple days.. with Tren e, if you get off its still in your system for a couple weeks.
plus with tren, you want to know right away when its kicking in, not wait weeks down the road

 

[Milton]

Just looking into running my second cycle, my first was a 12 week cycle of test and anavar as a finisher. Currently at around 180 pounds 9.5% BF. Was planning on running test c/tren e, but unsure on the dosages and ratio between the 2; also whether AI would be required with a TRT dose of test and whether I should worry about running caber, side effects and results people have had on this combo are also welcome

Welcome. Why run caber?

 

[Roush]

Welcome. Why run caber?

If he was to run Tren , which is a 19nor like deca, then Prolactin can be induced and elevated (tren, deca, npp, are all prone to causing this). Caber will help control the Prolactin, much like an AI controls estrogen . some guys are not prolactin sensitive at all (myself) and the elevated prolactin from a 19nor steroid does not cause negative sides, for some guys though , there dick will stop working with just a slight elevation of prolactin (ie., known as the dreaded 'deca dick')

 

[oldmusclemike]

If he was to run Tren , which is a 19nor like deca, then Prolactin can be induced and elevated (tren, deca, npp, are all prone to causing this). Caber will help control the Prolactin, much like an AI controls estrogen . some guys are not prolactin sensitive at all (myself) and the elevated prolactin from a 19nor steroid does not cause negative sides, for some guys though , there dick will stop working with just a slight elevation of prolactin (ie., known as the dreaded 'deca dick')

This , Milton I myself have a hard time with Prolactin and need the Caber. In the past before I knew I would just be fvcked up. Just recently I was and had posted all about it. However on another note my Prozac boosts my Prolactin and I get a double whammy.

my 2 cents only careful with some SSRSI 's

 

[STAUNCHED427]

This , Milton I myself have a hard time with Prolactin and need the Caber. In the past before I knew I would just be fvcked up. Just recently I was and had posted all about it. However on another note my Prozac boosts my Prolactin and I get a double whammy.

my 2 cents only careful with some SSRSI 's

Boom right there, all SSRI's and Prozac is the second most, even it is it slightly, indirectly dopaminergic via 5HT2C antagonism and next to Zoloft which is directly a slight dopamine reptake inhibitor, they both and all SSRIs WILL cause you to have increased prolactin due to serotonin being increased and dopamine therefore being decreased (the two directly inhibit each other) and lowered dopamine results in increased prrolactin to sum it up.

19-Nors typically will not mix the best with an SSRI due to this, and in some cases, solely because of this. But stopping your SSRI just to run a 19-Nor is not smart.. if you want to, try and taper off it, otherwise stay on it as usual and keep away from 19Nors.

A solution however, is to simply run a dopamine agonist like caber or prami which in some studies and anecdotal reports have been proven to combine (prami and an SSRI) to treat both depression and in this case the resulting prolactin increase, which itself can cause depression.

Have a chat to your doc about it. How do you feel with the DA alone with the SSRI now?

 

[Milton]

why do you want to run a tren test, whats your cycle goal?

 

[appleton111]

come back and get some solid advice kstar66