3 1/2 year transformation pics ( recovering alkie)

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It's interesting that you're fighting MANY well-vested people on the forum. Highly regarded people in my opinion.. Not perfect, but people I would listen to if they came down on me about ANYTHING!

Just breathe deep, be humble and shut the fuck up. They are right.

If you can do 100% effort for 2.5 hours. That is a relative term.. that 100% is relative! 100% effort for the first 45 minutes of your 2 hr workout if you REALLY tried harder, would be wayyyyy different my friend. You cannot argue this.

You've developed yourself to be the way you are.. It's your fault that 2hrs is your workout time. Workout for 1 hr for 12 weeks instead. See how your body adapts, it will look better, it will perform better in that smaller window.. because it will learn to use maximal energy in 1 hr instead of stretching it out to 2..

Stretching the workout out to 2 hrs... either means you're increasing volume to a degree that will do nothing for your overall goal, or you're dickin off in between sets.

Try 30 seconds rest in between every set. Time it, on your phone.. buy a $2.00 stopwatch.. idc. Do weight with which you will fail at 5 reps for 5 sets, 2 bodyparts max for the workout, 2-3 exercises per bodypart. Workout 3-5 times per week.

On your reps, explode out, or in, depending on the nature of the exercise. Out on bench, In on rows. Slow the opposite force. EVERY TIME.

If you think you're capable of putting up any sort of "heavy" weight right now.. do this for a while and see how well your lifts improve then. If you feel like you're not doing enough.. cut a rest period and superset another exercise from the other body part you're doing.

Don't stay in the gym longer than an hour.

I respect all the guys on this board, except for a given few lol.
I note down a lot of information that the members on this board often given and I learn from it. I do not argue nearly as much as u think. All I'm saying is that sometimes diff cases arrive. I haven't found a single person that can keep up with my workouts in my gym or between the 2 that I go to. I'm the last person u would be calling lazy if u saw me in person and trained with me.

I'm from Michigan. Pretty close to u Hypot. I don't know if it's against to rules to ask (if it is, delete this post mods), but u can come train with me for 1 day and see how u can keep up if it's NP like u say and know. :)? I live 3 hours away from Ohio

EDIT: Okay, maybe I am my ego get a little to me. I'll see what I can do tomorrow. It's going to be very hard for me to condense it down because of the amount of drop sets I do like I posted above. I do that for a lot of muscles and if u think about it: Push day = front delts, side delts, traps, chest middle, upper chest, bunch of diff tri's ect... I can't just picture how I would get this done in a hour. Maybe if I really did no rest and no crowd, then possible at 1.5 hrs maybe. Also, I was serious about training one time with me if u would like. It would nice to train with a ology member
 
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An hour is an awful quick workout. 1.5 hrs is about right for me. If it's not too busyi can finish in 1 hr 15 min but usually I have to change things up some because somebody using something I need.
2.5 hrs is totall overkill IMO. I've heard it said before, "stimulate, but don't innhialate"
 
An hour is an awful quick workout. 1.5 hrs is about right for me. If it's not too busyi can finish in 1 hr 15 min but usually I have to change things up some because somebody using something I need.
2.5 hrs is totall overkill IMO. I've heard it said before, "stimulate, but don't innhialate"

My gym is dead when I go in. 3 a.m.- 4 a.m., finish 4 a.m. - 5 a.m. I feel for you however.. I did use to live in the city and go to a non-24hr gym.

I did only work 1 muscle group typically.. this is changing with my new endeavor though. Going to experiment with HST. See how that goes.

Will be 3 workouts a week, rest in between each, and on the weekends. Every muscle group is hit every workout, 2 exercises each, 2-3 sets max, reps set by cycles. (Week 1-2 - 5 reps per set, every set, Weeks 3-4 - 10 reps per set, every set, Weeks 5-6 - 15 reps per set) Track weight used per cycle, revert back in sets, start new cycle of training.

Light cardio is cool on off days, stretching, yoga, meditation, masturbation ;)

It's interesting.. being all the way on the hypertrophy end of the spectrum. It doesn't even require failure at every set.. doesn't even encourage it until the last workout or two of each rep cycle. No need. It capitalizes on minimal sets each day, which allows you to work at a higher effort per set per day, and then spreading out the "typical" sets for a normal split over the course of a week rather than all on one day.

I can respect the differences in regimens. But 2 hrs in the gym man.. that's too much. It really is. 1hr 30min is pushing it in my opinion too.. even with a busy gym. This may be different if you're only training 2-3 times per week, and you're fitting 20 sets per muscle group, hitting 3 groups in each day. I can understand, 60 sets, Chest/Shoulders/Triceps, 20-25 a piece.. 45 second rest, 30-40 second sets (loading, deloading included).. Yeah, that's 1.5 hrs.

But, if you're training this way, you can play many cards to aide you and shorten your days. Here's my favorite way.. Opposites Days! If you work opposing groups instead (Chest, Back) (*Legs, Shoulders*) (Biceps, Triceps) ) you can superset with astounding synergy (there is noticeable effect on strength, and muscle firing when doing this) and shorten rest periods between sets, all without really missing out on rest.

** Legs and Shoulders aren't necessarily opposites.. but don't really affect one another in their being combined either.. Side note.. if you still want to train 4 x per week than you could just split Shoulders and Legs up and leave the other synergistic groups together **

Example - Dumbbell Bench Press x Bent Over Dumbbell Row OR Incline Bench x Wide Grip Lat Pull Down... Do each set back to back, then rest after both, but only for a single rest interval. 45 sec - 1 minute, you can manage the same daily volume and weight, while increasing intensity by shortening rest periods.

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It would be cool to workout with someone from here actually. Eventually we will, that would be fine.

Right now though.. I wouldn't be able to keep up with my grandmother, let alone show up a buddy from the forum! I've been off training and nutrition for 6 mos.

When I'm consistent again it'd be pretty cool. Pay attention to my log Mike, and you'll know whether I'm on or off training.. Maybe a 2hr rearing is what I need though. Yeah... probably not :D
 
Oh how this thread has went from pure garbage to a wealthy fountain of useful knowledge & experience shared. Reminds me of the life of a caterpillar that transforms into a beautiful butterfly. Nice. Only on Ology;-)
 
I haven't found a single person that can keep up with my workouts in my gym or between the 2 that I go to.

You're not listening bro, so I'm gonna keep this short and sweet.

If you are training at a high enough intensity, then you couldn't physically do 2.5hrs - FACT!

I'd be fast asleep doing what you do for 2 and a half fucking hours... and if you were my client, I'd be giving you the bollocking of your lifetime.

You have to look at ways to increase your intensity AND get that timescale down, because trust me, you will limit your gains. I can't say it any clearer than that.

If you are going true balls to the wall - you'd be on your knees after 75 mins - FACT!

I see people like you in the gym all the time... they THINK they are training hard, 'more is more' approach, dozens of exercises with little to no intensity... and I laugh at them. Because a year later, they look like endurance athletes, and haven't grown an inch!

Whereas I make my gains, I keep my gains, I get in, get my shit done, I get out, and I eat.

Oh man, I would love to take you for 1hr of your lifetime, and show you what a proper training session looks like and how real intensity should feel.

So take it or leave it buddy.
 
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You're not listening bro, so I'm gonna keep this short and sweet.

If you are training at a high enough intensity, then you couldn't physically do 2.5hrs - FACT!

I'd be fast asleep doing what you do for 2 and a half fucking hours... and if you were my client, I'd be giving you the bollocking of your lifetime.

You have to look at ways to increase your intensity AND get that timescale down, because trust me, you will limit your gains. I can't say it any clearer than that.

If you are going true balls to the wall - you'd be on your knees after 75 mins - FACT!

I see people like you in the gym all the time... they THINK they are training hard, 'more is more' approach, dozens of exercises with little to no intensity... and I laugh at them. Because a year later, they look like endurance athletes, and haven't grown an inch!

Whereas I make my gains, I keep my gains, I get in, get my shit done, I get out, and I eat.

Oh man, I would love to take you for 1hr of your lifetime, and show you what a proper training session looks like and how real intensity should feel.

So take it or leave it buddy.

I tried today to go as fast as I could with high intensity. Managed to get it down to 2 hours. I'm working on pushing it down, but I'm finding it hard to do. Just look at this. This is my PUSH DAY:

Flat:
Incline:
Flies:
Shrugs:
Lat Raise Delts:
Front Delts w/Straight bar:
Front Delts w/DB Raise:
BW Dips:
Shoulder press:
Tricep Triangle:
Tricep Straightbar:
Tricep Pushdowns:

I do each one for 4 sets. MOST of them are like in the pattern: Set 1 = contains 3 drop sets and I do this 4 times total. Some BW stuff, I just do 4 regular sets.

I will keep trying as much as I can to lower it down to 1.5 hours. I go to a LA fitness during peak times (5pm) because I can't get there earlier and late at night is hard on me due to other things in life. People always talking to me, sitting on the machines, moving crap around and I have to search for it. The only way i can ever be done within a hour is if I literally remove all the drops sets and make it typical: set 1,2,3,4 and then move on..but i dont see that being enough to stimulate.

I'm going to have to look into another gym that is open 24h.
 
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I tried today to go as fast as I could with high intensity. Managed to get it down to 2 hours. I'm working on pushing it down, but I'm finding it hard to do. Just look at this. This is my PUSH DAY:

Flat:
Incline:
Flies:
Shrugs:
Lat Raise Delts:
Front Delts w/Straight bar:
Front Delts w/DB Raise:
BW Dips:
Shoulder press:
Tricep Triangle:
Tricep Straightbar:
Tricep Pushdowns:

looks like a weeks worth of movements, not a SINGLE workout worth of movements. I'd really look into simplifying things up. At least try it for 6 weeks and see how you feel.
 
You ever notice the bigger older guy at your gym. He comes in, hits chest for three exercises, then maybe a little bi's or tri's for a bit, then he is out of the gym in 50 mins. Same guy probably eats less then you too. Why is he the big guy in the gym?
He learned a long time ago that often times less is more.

This hit me hard

I used to think "more is better"

and noticed a lot of older big dudes. who would do exactly this. Get in. Hit it hard. and leave.


I followed the same mindset and started getting bigger.
 
I tried today to go as fast as I could with high intensity. Managed to get it down to 2 hours. I'm working on pushing it down, but I'm finding it hard to do. Just look at this. This is my PUSH DAY:

Flat:
Incline:
Flies:
Shrugs:
Lat Raise Delts:
Front Delts w/Straight bar:
Front Delts w/DB Raise:
BW Dips:
Shoulder press:
Tricep Triangle:
Tricep Straightbar:
Tricep Pushdowns:

I do each one for 4 sets. MOST of them are like in the pattern: Set 1 = contains 3 drop sets and I do this 4 times total. Some BW stuff, I just do 4 regular sets.

I will keep trying as much as I can to lower it down to 1.5 hours. I go to a LA fitness during peak times (5pm) because I can't get there earlier and late at night is hard on me due to other things in life. People always talking to me, sitting on the machines, moving crap around and I have to search for it. The only way i can ever be done within a hour is if I literally remove all the drops sets and make it typical: set 1,2,3,4 and then move on..but i dont see that being enough to stimulate.

I'm going to have to look into another gym that is open 24h.

Do you play any sports Mike? Imagine playing hockey in game 7 of the Stanley Cup for 2.5 hours straight -- no intermissions or Zamboni. Or 2.5 hours of World Cup soccer without any stoppages. Or boxing for 2.5 hours. All at the highest level of intensity. Is that what your workouts in the gym are like? Balls to the wall for 2.5 hours? Not even as much as a bathroom break?
 
Shrugs, delt raises and all that isn't a push movement. Maybe you should try just basic movements. Bench press, military press, dead lifts, barbell rows, chins, squats and dips. Try squatting till you puke. Until that happens, you don't know what intensity feels like. You'll be on your way home after you learn that one...
 
Shrugs, delt raises and all that isn't a push movement. Maybe you should try just basic movements. Bench press, military press, dead lifts, barbell rows, chins, squats and dips. Try squatting till you puke. Until that happens, you don't know what intensity feels like. You'll be on your way home after you learn that one...

I get the idea behind that statement.. but I could have a puker with high volume too.

10 x 10 squats. 1 min rest. Weight would depend on what you're used to working with. General lifter without a good squat, 135lbs 10x10.. Experienced Lifter, 225lbs 10x10.

German Volume Training is a bitch, but it's really not that intense technically speaking. You won't wanna go puke until set 7-8 usually.
 
Flat:
Incline:
Flies:
Shrugs:
Lat Raise Delts:
Front Delts w/Straight bar:
Front Delts w/DB Raise:
BW Dips:
Shoulder press:
Tricep Triangle:
Tricep Straightbar:
Tricep Pushdowns:

I do each one for 4 sets. MOST of them are like in the pattern: Set 1 = contains 3 drop sets and I do this 4 times total. Some BW stuff, I just do 4 regular sets.

I will keep trying as much as I can to lower it down to 1.5 hours. I go to a LA fitness during peak times (5pm) because I can't get there earlier and late at night is hard on me due to other things in life. People always talking to me, sitting on the machines, moving crap around and I have to search for it. The only way i can ever be done within a hour is if I literally remove all the drops sets and make it typical: set 1,2,3,4 and then move on..but i dont see that being enough to stimulate.

I'm going to have to look into another gym that is open 24h.

Oh my lord..... way to much, and bad workout structure too!

I calculate that your front delts alone are getting hit with 28 sets minimum right there...

And you're trying to convince me that you're training at optimum intensity.

Do you honestly thing that one solitary deltoid would be able to handle 28+ sets of high intensity training?

And I'm being conservative there and only counting the exercises where the deltoid is one of the prime movers. If I was going to be ultra critical I would include the exercises where the delts were fixating too!

Bah... I rest my case bro!
 
Oh my lord..... way to much, and bad workout structure too!

I calculate that your front delts alone are getting hit with 28 sets minimum right there...

And you're trying to convince me that you're training at optimum intensity.

Do you honestly thing that one solitary deltoid would be able to handle 28+ sets of high intensity training?

And I'm being conservative there and only counting the exercises where the deltoid is one of the prime movers. If I was going to be ultra critical I would include the exercises where the delts were fixating too!

Bah... I rest my case bro!

I've always worked with high volume. I don't know any other way around it. Been doing it since the start. I'm slowly easing into ur philosophy that more is not better in terms of work outs, but I would think other wise in terms of gear and strict diet (obv without a insane surplus). It will take some time for me to adapt, but I will try something else I suppose, u guys usually are often right anyways.

Any chance u could set me up with a good PPL routine with exact sets or drop sets, that u think would be good? Don't think begginer though, my old routine might not be the best, but I know my way around exercises at least.

I can figure out the weight and reps on my own and whats needed for my str and intensity.

PS: I know it's a little critical, but I'm simply not a fan of: Deadlifts, Bar Rows, Pull ups, Squats.

I built my back from a lot of t-bar, machine rows ect..
My legs from mainly isolates and hack squats.
 
PS: I know it's a little critical, but I'm simply not a fan of: Deadlifts, Bar Rows, Pull ups, Squats.

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is that because they are hard to do? I wasn't a "fan" of squats until i started doing them 3x per week. I always did them but loathed it. Now, my form is fantastic and doing it more and more makes it that much easier to go in and do.

Not that you care, but my routine is as follows:

Day 1: Squat/ Bench / Deadlift

Day 2: Upper body accessory

Day 3: Squat Bench, leg accessory

Day 4: rest

Day 5: deadlift, bench, upper accessory

Day 6: squat, leg accessory

Reps are different on the squats, bench, and deads every time. I have put on strength and size in a few short weeks training like this.
 
The big compound movements are proven mass builders Mike. Why try and reinvent the wheel.

Squats should be a staple, as well as deadlifts( if done correctly) hacks build great quads especially the muscles around the knees, but do nothing for the hamstrings. Muscle imbalances can set you up for injury my friend. IMO there is no substitute exercise that provides the overall muscle stimulation/ growth than a well executed deep barbell squat. Ditto with deadlifts. You can tell the diff in competitors backs development with guys that do deads and guys that don't. IMO you're short changing yourself by leaving these two movements out of your routine
 
Deadlifts rock
Back tonight and always start out with deads or rack pulls
I can feel my strength increase and now.once again with the added tRen I can't wait till.its.hits.me.once again
Got.my shipment in yesterday and that means more tren a, first pin yeterday since a couple weeks ago.my.vile of tren.smashed, Damm holidays delayed the order.but all is.good now.:)
500lbs.rack.pulls last week :)
 
You need to stop with all the machines and what you prefer... sound like a cranky woman...

is that because they are hard to do? I wasn't a "fan" of squats until i started doing them 3x per week. I always did them but loathed it. Now, my form is fantastic and doing it more and more makes it that much easier to go in and do.

Not that you care, but my routine is as follows:

Day 1: Squat/ Bench / Deadlift

Day 2: Upper body accessory

Day 3: Squat Bench, leg accessory

Day 4: rest

Day 5: deadlift, bench, upper accessory

Day 6: squat, leg accessory

Reps are different on the squats, bench, and deads every time. I have put on strength and size in a few short weeks training like this.

The big compound movements are proven mass builders Mike. Why try and reinvent the wheel.

Squats should be a staple, as well as deadlifts( if done correctly) hacks build great quads especially the muscles around the knees, but do nothing for the hamstrings. Muscle imbalances can set you up for injury my friend. IMO there is no substitute exercise that provides the overall muscle stimulation/ growth than a well executed deep barbell squat. Ditto with deadlifts. You can tell the diff in competitors backs development with guys that do deads and guys that don't. IMO you're short changing yourself by leaving these two movements out of your routine


The above looks more like a power lifter routine.

I am open to re-doing squats and rows and pull ups if NEEDED, but deadlifts are one that I don't want to do. I've always had trouble with my form on it and back rolling, gave me some issues a long time ago. I'd rather grind out various machines in order to build the back. Deads really are not needed for BB. If I stopped BB and worked toward str, I would go back to deadlifting.

Either way, still looking for a PPL routine if any 1 can help.
 
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