3rd cycle..bodybuilder..

[imtheone]

hey, im from aus..

current stats:

height> 169cm
weight> 85kg
bf > 13%
age > 22

after second cycle i won my first show..I gave it away for 6 months but now i want back in. im about to get bloods done before i start.So this is what my bulk cycle looks like:

week 1-10 > test cyp 600mg/week
week 3-12 > tren ace 200mg/week
week 5-14 > deca 250mg/week
week 1-14 > tamoxifen 20mg/day
week 1-14 > arimidex 1mg/day
week 1-14 > liver and cholesterol support.

pct: Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) > 2500ui for 16 days
clomid> 50mg twice day 30 days
nolva > 20mg/day 45 days

day 1-16 > 2500ui hcg/day
day 1-30 > 100mg clomid/day
day 1-45 > 20mg/day

any thoughts on including insulin ?

 

[bizup69]

I don't know the exact reason but I have read that deca and tren together is a bad idea. I recommend you look into this before you start.

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Moved to the appropriate forum.............

 

[jreynolds20]

dude this cycle is all jacked up.

1. deca needs to be run longer than 9 weeks. start it at week 1 with the test, because it takes a long time to kick in.

2. Why are you going to run your Tren 2 weeks longer than your test? And your deca 4 weeks longer? You need test with those even if its just a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose. (most use the 2:1 test/deca or test/tren ratio.) So run your test just as long as your tren/deca.

3. You need to up your doses. 200mg/wk of tren is kinda low and so is 250mg/wk of Deca. I would run at least 400mg/wk of both.

4. Running tren and Deca together is kinda ballsy. Have you ever used tren? If not drop the tren and just run the deca. Save the tren for like your 4th or 5th cycle.

5. You do not need that much clomid for 30 days. 50mg once a day is plenty. or 300mg on the first day and 100mg a day for the next 10 days and 50mg a day for 10 days after that. Clomid has a long half life so it only needs to be taken once a day.

6. WOW!!!!!! 1mg of A-dex every day?? haha thats a lot. some say to not even use it if you don't need it. but if you do .5 a mg ever other day (or just 3 times a week) should be ok.

7. I didn't see anything for prog related sides... You are going to want to keep some prami or cader/dostinex on hand just in case.

8. oh and most people say not to take nolva with deca/tren. This issue is lately bieng debated a lot but idk??? Im sure someone will pitch in on this.


Am I missing anything guys? Help me out here.

 

[ezred]

i was reading that running deca and tren doesn't work as well as other stacks involving each compound.

one place i was reading was talking about both binding well to the androgen receptors meaning i guess that they would be "fighting" so to speak with each other to bind to the receptors so utilizing one of them with a compound that doesn't bind well could achieve a better synergistic result.

the concept makes sense to me if you have two similar compounds that are rated 10/10 on their own and you combine them because they function in similar ways or interact with receptors in similar ways you don't get the "double" effect so there's some "waste" in using them together.

anyway, i've only researched this stuff on a VERY basic level so perhaps someone with more knowledge can chime in. i may be off base and if i am i apologize but the concept seemed logical to me when i read it. man... these forums makes me want to go back and start from chem and just get in depth with everything.

 

[imtheone]

thanks for the input guys..

I didn't actually put this cycle together.. I got recommended to do this by a friend PT who comes across as knowledgeable.

as for the anti estrogens, i was also blown away !! i never used that much in past cycles.. In my last cycle i did .5mg ldex eod on cycle and 15 days of 40mg tamoxifen and another 15 days on 20mg tamoxifen and i was fine..Id say that in the past he would use that much 2 keep water retention down because of his job..

if i was to design this cycle it would look like thistell me what you think)

week 1-10: test cyp 500mg/week
week 1-10: deca 500mg/week
week 4-10: tren 500mg/week
week 1-10: .5mg ldex
and insulin ontop of that ?

then 30 day of tamoxifen.

i was told dec and tren stack is good but yes i will research further..cheers mate..

also does anyone use the sponsored sites for post cycle therapy (pct) ?

 

[Ruturaj]

Week 1-12 test cypo 500 mgs/week (2 shots of 1ml a week)
week 1-11 deca 250mgs/week
week 1-14 arimidex .5mgs eod
week 3-9 Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 500iu/week
week 3-14 dostinex .25mgs e3d

week 14 start pct:
nolva 20,20,20,10,10
aromasin 20,20,20,10,10,

if you get too much water retention,or notice any itchy or lumpy feeling around the nipple up the arimidex to 1mg eod.
I would take vit c ed also.
make sure your eating atleast 4000 calories/day
1 and a half grams of protein per pound of body weight.
get atleast 8 hours sleep a night

 

[imtheone]

ok im starting to get frustrated..my mate thinks i should keep the tren but everything i read it says bad bad bad...think ill just hold the tren for cutting cycle and i will try get hold of some dbol as i have never used dbol..I respond very well 2 insulin also so might do insulin also..and yes thx my diet will be 110% I am very up 2 date with nutrition..just wish i went 2 med school instead lol

never had problems in the past with estrogen so .5 arimidex will be good..

can someone please tell me if rui is legit ?

ok so my cycle starts on fri..this is what its going to look like.:::

week 1-14: test cyp 600mg/week
week 1-12: deca 400mg/week
insulin 10ui/day -- 2 week on 1 week off ?
.5mg/day arimixex all the way through cycle.
dbol if i can get some..will let you kno !

my first cycle was: sus 250mg/week
deca 300mg/week
12 week cycle
nova for pct

before cycle i was 80kg ..then end of cycle i weighed a whopping 98kg but then got very sick with glandular fever and went down to 85kg..did an insulin cycle and got back up to 93kg then did a cutting cycle : 12 weeks, test p 100mg/eod, winstrol for last 6 weeks at 50mg eod..i trained so hard and did cardio everyday and still made muscle gains and got my bf down to 3% before i competed..was 82kg and ppl thought i was much heavier..after comp i gained 12kg in a week and still had abs..after the comp i had never felt so big and shaped in my life !! ppl would stair which felt different but i liked it..maybe was because i had a good tan..

anyway i want to get big again and maybe one day get paid 4 it..thats why i thought id sign up and get ppls ideas cause i have a lot 2 learn..

your opinion is what i want!! cheers

 

[imtheone]

Had a good chat with my pt mate and he really does kno his stuff..he has been studying it for 10 yrs and he showed me all the info he has collected over yrs n yrs.. and im going to stick to the original..only difference will be .5 arimidex ed-eod and no nolva during cycle..sorry if im disapointing anyone...but ill will be checking in with my stats and so on .. so hope you all follow my progress..cheers..

 

[RJ]

dude this cycle is all jacked up.

1. deca needs to be run longer than 9 weeks. start it at week 1 with the test, because it takes a long time to kick in.

2. Why are you going to run your Tren 2 weeks longer than your test? And your deca 4 weeks longer? You need test with those even if its just a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose. (most use the 2:1 test/deca or test/tren ratio.) So run your test just as long as your tren/deca.

3. You need to up your doses. 200mg/wk of tren is kinda low and so is 250mg/wk of Deca. I would run at least 400mg/wk of both.

4. Running tren and Deca together is kinda ballsy. Have you ever used tren? If not drop the tren and just run the deca. Save the tren for like your 4th or 5th cycle.

5. You do not need that much clomid for 30 days. 50mg once a day is plenty. or 300mg on the first day and 100mg a day for the next 10 days and 50mg a day for 10 days after that. Clomid has a long half life so it only needs to be taken once a day.

6. WOW!!!!!! 1mg of A-dex every day?? haha thats a lot. some say to not even use it if you don't need it. but if you do .5 a mg ever other day (or just 3 times a week) should be ok.

7. I didn't see anything for prog related sides... You are going to want to keep some prami or cader/dostinex on hand just in case.

8. oh and most people say not to take nolva with deca/tren. This issue is lately bieng debated a lot but idk??? Im sure someone will pitch in on this.


Am I missing anything guys? Help me out here.

i agree with everything except number 3 and 8.

3. Especially if he's never done tren, 200mg may be plenty. I get great results, as well as others on 50mg EOD, which equates to about 175mg/w

8. No studies have proven Tamox used with Deca or Tren will do anything bad, and can actually help with estro based gyno.

As for Deca and Tren together, its not fun, but can be done, just makes you edgy as shit. But the synergy between the two in the same cycle can be sick.

Here's what I would do:

week 1-16 > test cyp 750mg/week
week 1-12 > deca 400mg/week
week 13-18 > tren ace 50mg EOD
week 15-18 > test prop 100mg EOD
week 1-14 > liver and cholesterol support.
week 1-18 > Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 250iu E3D

pct:

week 19-22 Toremifene Citrate 30mg/d
or
week 19-22 Clomid 50mg/d

Keep Aromasin and Dostinex on hand just in case.

Now, I normally wouldn't suggest this to someone your age, but this is your 3rd go around so I'd rather you get the most out of it since you're gonna cycle anyway.

 

[imtheone]

day 10

feeling good. cyp is defiantly doing something> i have tiny little pimples on my back, good blood flow while training, appetite increase, libido increase.. a few ppl have noticed i look different already..

next week i start tren which will be interesting .. what can i expect from 200mg per week ? i read that it is the best for muscle gains (lean) ..

It feels silly starting deca in week 5 .. but my friend is very firm with his info and opinion and wants me to follow it 2 the T. as i said it will be an experiment..

and he said i could finish with prop so i will do so..

 

[jreynolds20]

rj yeah i overlooked that it was ace not enanth.

 

[jreynolds20]

day 10

feeling good. cyp is defiantly doing something> i have tiny little pimples on my back, good blood flow while training, appetite increase, libido increase.. a few ppl have noticed i look different already..

next week i start tren which will be interesting .. what can i expect from 200mg per week ? i read that it is the best for muscle gains (lean) ..

It feels silly starting deca in week 5 .. but my friend is very firm with his info and opinion and wants me to follow it 2 the T. as i said it will be an experiment..

and he said i could finish with prop so i will do so..

why are you coming here asking us if your not going to listen to anything we say?

starting deca at week 5 is just stupid imo.

 

[RJ]

why are you coming here asking us if your not going to listen to anything we say?

starting deca at week 5 is just stupid imo.

x2. makes no sense. but like I've always said, this game is about personal experience, so you'll see what happens.

As for your question about Tren, i answered it above. 200mg/w is fine. lean,dry gains.

 

[imtheone]

The way i see it.. ill be making quality gaines from the tren and test then once the deca comes into play it will help me recover and give me a boost if my gains slow down..

don't say its stupid...give me a chance..im learning..just cause its not a traditional cycle doesnt mean i wont see results..its week 2 and already i see results..

i train hard, i eat perfect i sleep a lot..i monitor my body 24 hours a day.. thats the main thing..