3rd Cycle - Test, tren, winny, Clen, T3, Var.

[GlenMarsh]

I would like advice about what I can take off the cycle or how I should modify this cycle.

Stats -
24 y.o, male, weight 175 pounds

Actually I was 15% about 4 months ago but left working out due to work, personal responsibilities and a big project onsite and now I am 19% bf.
Btw -
Jan 2012 - 66 kg, 25% bf (i.e. 49.5 kg lean mass)
Present - 79 kg, 19% bf (i.e. 64 kg lean mass)
So gained 14.5 kg muscle.
But losing fat has always been a problem.

My previous cycles were -
Fist cycle - Test + equi
Second cycle - Test + winny

I plan to run this new cycle with following dosage -

Test Ethanate- 250 mg/week (12 weeks)
Tren Ethanate - 500 mg/week (12 weeks)
Winny - 50 mg/day (10 weeks)
Clen - 100 mcg/day (2 week on, 2 week off for 12 weeks)
T3 - 50 mcg/day (12 weeks)
Ana Anavar (var) - 80 mg/day (12 weeks)

PCT I have HCG. I have Letrozole, Nolvadex, Arimidex in big quantity. I will Arimidex 1 mg throughout the cycle and Letro when necessary.

I have 1000 iu hgh and 20 grams of DNP too but I don't think I need to add it at all to this cycle. In fact I was thinking above cycle itself is overkill. DNP always makes me lose muscle which I don't like.

Now many of you would suggest that I should go to 12% bf naturally and only then think about aas, but I have never managed to to below 15%. My diet is much better this time (Chicken, veggies and sweet potato).

I Don't want any more lean mass. I already have about 64 kg of that and I am 5'5" so it is very close to my genetic limit.

I was thinking may be I should do - Test, Tren, Winstrol (winny), Anavar (var) and T3 cycle and drop Clen altogether.

Advice appreciated. Criticism would be great as well

Not a noob in compounds. Major in biochemistry and can explain mechanism of action, sides, in detail so know what I am dealing with
My maintenance is 2800 and I plan to keep diet at 1800 to 2000 range.

Goal for 12 week cycle - Bring bodyfat from 19% to 9%.

 

[prisonsex]

Ill be happy to criticize as requested above. This is your 3rd cycle and your talking about dropping 10% BF (in a single 12 week cycle)....running Tren, whinny, clen and you made mention of DNP. You say you are a biochemistry ....I say, you need to get a handle on your diet. Research and understand that throwing the kitchen sink at your shitty diet will not get you to your goal.

Here's my advise: you can lie to yourself, but never lie to the EMTs.

 

[GlenMarsh]

Ill be happy to criticize as requested above. This is your 3rd cycle and your talking about dropping 10% BF (in a single 12 week cycle)....running Tren, whinny, clen and you made mention of DNP.

Just saying that I won't use DNP as it makes me lose muscle.

You say you have some sort of medical background....I say, you need to get a handle on your diet. Research and understand that throwing the kitchen sink at your shitty diet not get you to your goal.

I started at 25% bf and went upto 15% BF. So I learned to keep diet reasonably clean. Would be better this time.

What's the takeaway point of your post then? I need to drop bf to what level before using above compounds? 15%?

 

[00pmac00]

Just saying that I won't use DNP as it makes me lose muscle.

How about this..."I won't use it because it's a dumb idea"

 

[GlenMarsh]

How about this..."I won't use it because it's a dumb idea"

Ok, DNP poisoning occurs at 30 mg/kg or 2400 mg for me, even divided over 5 days (=500 mg or above) has 37% chances of mortality.
I was taking 250 mg per day or 15 mg/kg (divided over 5 days) with ZERO reported deaths at that dosage.
And just in case even if that screws up, I had following document in my pc with details of how emergency medicals responded to DNP poisoning.

And as a matter of fact, if you read it, DNP deaths occur when the person either takes above 20 mg single dose (30 mg divided over 5 days) OR he takes lesser than that but on DNP poisoning doesn't tell the medical professionals.

Please go on read the following about DNP poisoning and the treatments which can help -

Treatment for DNP Poisioning -
Antioxidants such as intravenous glutathione (GSH), and large doses of vitamins C and E were used during the treatment. Except the two deaths, nine severe cases were given 500 mg/d of methylprednisolone for 3***8211;5 d. Thereafter the dose was decreased gradually and stopped at 8***8211;10 d. As for the five cases with mild symptoms, a dose of 40***8211;80 mg/d was given for 3 d. and was gradually reduced until ceasing at 6***8211;7 d. Hemoperfusion (HP) was applied to the patients within 6 h of admission. Styrene/divinylbenzene copolymer (HA330 macroporous resin, Zhuhai Lizhu Biomedical Materials Co., Guangdong, China) processes a large capacity at a rapid rate, and has good blood compatibility. The five cases with mild symptoms were treated once a day (4***8211;6 h) for three consecutive days, while the nine severe cases were treated once a day (6***8211;8 h) for 6 d. In addition, one case who suffered neutropenia received recombination human granulocyte colony-stimulating factor treatment.
As a blood purification treatment, we used HP with a styrene/divinylbenzene copolymer. The first choice for blood purification is to absorb toxic substances from blood by a purifier that has a wide adsorption range. This resin can be used to clear poisons that have a large molecular weight, high lipid solubility, and a strong protein-binding ability (Kang et al., 2009; Fertel et al., 2010). When 2,4-DNP enters into the body, it is mainly located in adipose tissue, because of its strong lipid solubility. Therefore, the result of hemodialysis may not be ideal.
However, our treatment showed that the typical symptoms of profuse perspiration, hyperpyrexia, dyspnea, and tachypnea were ameliorated and even disappeared, but soon recurred when treatment was ended. On the other hand, this also showed the ability of HP to remove the free 2,4-DNP from plasma. We believe that HP should be listed as the first choice and be administered as soon as possible, but the specific times should be adjusted according to the symptoms, especially body temperature. We also advise that HP could be stopped when the body temperature is restored to normal and maintained for 24 h. Here, we should monitor the procedure carefully because macroporous resin can also absorb normal constituents from the blood such as platelets and glucose.

Toxbase was consulted and she received 2 litre of normal saline i.v. over 2 h and diazepam 35 mg orally.
The patient had a further litre of normal saline i.v. over 2 h and 2 mg lorazepam i.v.
Cardiopulmonary resuscitation was started. Despite suxamethonium 100 mg and vecuronium 10 mg (i.v.), it was not possible to ventilate her due to widespread sustained muscle rigidity. After 14 cycles with epinephrine and atropine, she remained asystolic and was declared dead.
Management involves aggressive supportive measures and use of benzodiazepines, but because of a large volume of distribution, DNP is not amenable to dialysis or haemoperfusion.
Successful use of dantrolene has been described.6 By inhibiting calcium release from the sarcoplasmic reticulum, dantrolene reduces intracellular calcium. This is thought to help to facilitate heat dissipation in uncontrolled DNP-related hyperthermia. We stress importance of early aggressive supportive care and level 2 involvement in cases of DNP poisoning. We also propose the early use of dantrolene.

was given 2-3 L of normal saline and vancomycin and ceftriaxone for empiric antibiotic coverage. She became progressively hypotensive, requiring pressor support with dopamine, and quickly developed respiratory failure, requiring intubation and mechanical ventilation. Shortly thereafter, she developed a cardiac arrhythmia that degenerated into asystole. Cardiopulmonary resuscitation was initiated but was unsuccessful, and she died approximately 3 h after her initial presentation.

The fatal dose in adults is about 1-3 g by mouth, and 3 g has proven fatal, even in divided doses over a period of 5 days (7). s, deaths have occurred in people who ingested 3--46 mg
of dinitrophenols per kg of body weight per day (3-46 mg/kg/day) for short periods or 1--4 mg/kg/day for long periods.
reported the death of a 22-year-old male 16 h after his last DNP dose, estimated at
600 rag/day over four days for weight loss.

Since then, other studies have provided evidence of bene***64257;cial actions of DNP (at low concentrations), including neuroprotection against di***64256;erent types of insult, blockade of amyloid aggregation, stimulation of neurite outgrowth and neuronal di***64256;erentiation, and
even extension of lifespan in certain organisms. Some of these e***64256;ects appear to be due to mild mitochondrial uncoupling and prevention of cellular oxidative stress, whereas other actions are
related to activation of additional intracellular signaling pathways.

530 mg/kg, 37% mortality at 30 mg/ kg and 100% mortality at 100 mg/kg
Another study in dogs (l ***8211; 2 animals per dose group, strain and sex not speci***64257;ed) showed 50% and 100% mortality following single gavage doses of 25 and 125 mg DNP/kg/day, respectively
20***8211;50 mg/kg in humans can be lethal.

 

[GlenMarsh]

I don't have any plans to add DNP so please don't discuss about it. Would be glad if someone points out about the cycle itself. Thanks!

 

[palmers]

that's a lot of compounds..... I read somewere t3 will cause a rebound so if u aint dropping bf naturally ull just gain it all back..... whinny doesn't do anything to bf it just makes u loose all the water.... If you already blew your money on hgh and u have 1000 uis start running it dude I read it expires in a year, tren e at 500mg doses for your first go is a bad idea.... the tren e is a bad idea and 500 mg is a bad idea, 12 weeks of anavar is a bad idea.... need liver support....


edit: u must be loaded to have all that stuff just chillin at your place