6 months PCT, LOW test...run another PCT? Too late for AI?

[cLere]

So I'll start with my pre-cycle test. Total was 519.

Ran a 14 week cycle of anadrol for the first month, and 500ml test E EW.

Cycle went great, some bacne was the only side. During my cycle, I was also taking zoloft for anxiety (SSRI). This killed my libido but the test helped bring it up quite a bit.

Cycle ended, and I ran the normal clomid PCT alone without nolva (Zoloft fights nolva for the same receptor and wins, so I did not use both). No HCG.

Quit taking my SSRI due to ineffectiveness 4 months ago and tapered off. Libido improved but never went back to normal. Went to the doctor last week and had labs drawn, and my total test was 189.

He was concerned and I am afraid he's going to try to start treating it with something I don't want (or maybe it will be something I do). Not going to tell him I took AAS of course. I just placed an order for HCG and am going to run some to see if I can kickstart things a bit and then wanted to do nolva after but my site was out of it so for now it's just the HCG.

I took arimidex circle the cycle, around .25mg EOD.

I'm having labs redrawn in 2 weeks to recheck the teste, as well as the rest of the hormones so I'm not sure where estrogen is but is it too late to try to take a small dose of AI to see if anything helps? Also going to pound the vitamin d3 10000ui a day since I hear it can help, and also because my vitamin D levels were low with labs as well.

Any advice here?

 

[3J]

so i dont get it.. what was your test level? when did you take bloods?

 

[cLere]

so i dont get it.. what was your test level? when did you take bloods?

Total test was 519 in January before cycle.

PCT finished around March/Aprilish

Total test as of last week was 189.

 

[China_Wall]

There is a chance your test levels will never come back anywhere near what they were before... that's just one of the things that should have been considered before running gear

Sorry if that's blunt, but it's true.

Get back on test and start feeling great!***128518;

 

[halfwit]

LH and FSH are going to answer this one. I have a feeling that there's more going on here than just a cycle. You don't need an AI right now, but a more comprehensive blood test would be great.

Privatemdlabs.com is around 60 bucks and the "female menopause test" has pretty much everything you need. Oh, and it's anonymous. I bet that LH comes back sky high or down in the dirt.

My .02c

 

[cLere]

LH and FSH are going to answer this one. I have a feeling that there's more going on here than just a cycle. You don't need an AI right now, but a more comprehensive blood test would be great.

Privatemdlabs.com is around 60 bucks and the "female menopause test" has pretty much everything you need. Oh, and it's anonymous. I bet that LH comes back sky high or down in the dirt.

My .02c

Appreciate it. The doctor is actually ordering and rechecking the test in 2 weeks along with thyroid, LH, estrogen, and FSH.


What would you think is going on in the event of a high or low LH?

 

[STAUNCHED427]

IMO SSRI's fuck up the braisn monoaminergic balance (Serotonin dampens Dopamine and vice versa), and Dopamine, Test and Prolactin are all interelated... Good thing you came off them.

We just have to wait to see what your blood panel comes back with before we can give answers as to what's going on, or what isn't, otherwise it's throwing darts in the dark really. Stick in there mate!

 

[halfwit]

Appreciate it. The doctor is actually ordering and rechecking the test in 2 weeks along with thyroid, LH, estrogen, and FSH.


What would you think is going on in the event of a high or low LH?

If it's high, you have suffered damage to your testes or have something going on there that's physical in nature (varicocele for instance) . That means you CANNOT recover no matter how many drugs you throw at it - as that's primary hypogonadism.

A low LH potentially means you're suppressed still from something, and investigation of your pituitary would be warranted. This also means that you may potentially be able to recover with a heavy duty PCT. Nothing is guaranteed, but this is the more favorable result of the two. This is secondary hypogonadism.

 

[Gainjin260]

If it's high, you have suffered damage to your testes or have something going on there that's physical in nature (varicocele for instance) . That means you CANNOT recover no matter how many drugs you throw at it - as that's primary hypogonadism

HW- I have varicocele and was under the impression it could be fixed with minor surgery. Is that accurate?

 

[halfwit]

HW- I have varicocele and was under the impression it could be fixed with minor surgery. Is that accurate?

The physical part, yes - the resulting low testosterone? A big maybe. The odds aren't in your favor from what I've read, unfortunately.

 

[cLere]

Well, we're rechecking the test with other hormones on the 19th so I'll cross my fingers for the latter. My HCG should be here tomorrow and I'm going to hit that immediately. I want to also do nolva/clomid as well (power pct), but I want to see his treatment before I spend all this money (maybe he will go one of those routes? Not sure if that's a traditional medicine course). That's another $130 from my site that I don't want to pay right now. I know he mentioned an MRI I'm guessing for pituitary, but I would hate to go through all that work when I know it's not pituitary related.