A caution about austinite's weight loss stack

enzo321 said:
Raises blood pressure, causes ED, sleeplessness, it's a pretty "hardcore" stim in comparison to caffeine and other basic stimulants. The main reason it's banned in America is we have a lot of people who think "OMG one pill worked great. Two must work 2x better!".
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Banned ?
Stuff was legal to get here in Canada at 8 mg/tab....
this was back in 2005 when I was in supp. stores quite a bit...
haven't seen it on the shelves here...
 
APOLLON said:
what is wrong with ephedrine ?
I ran it off and on for 2 years...
16 mg before cardio workout.
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Side Effects of Ephedrine:

According to the FDA, ephedrine can cause nausea, irregular heartbeats, insomnia, and nervousness (http://ageless.com/ephidrine.htm). In Texas there have been two deaths linked to ephedrine products. The Metabolife label has a long list of different diseases or problems that should be advised before taking Metabolife. Another FDA report stated that ephedrine can also cause high blood pressure, tremors and headaches, seizures, heart attacks, strokes and in extreme cases like in Texas, death (http://www.ukcia.org/news/1997/news/st1215.htm). In the clinical study, PA Daly et al (1993 p.77S), ***65533;the side effects are dose related, and they appear to diminish over time; however Bucci (2000) states that it can cause adverse side effects if taken in high dosages. Therefore, the FDA has attempted to place restrictions on the dosage and duration of ephedrine found in dietary supplements. This however, is still under consideration (Gurley 2000). In a clinical review, GA Bray 1999, it was found that ephedrine affects thermogenesis and it also ***65533;delays gastric emptying***65533;which may represent a mechanism for decreased hunger***65533; (p.144).



Presenters and their Motives:

The most common supporters of ephedrine were the companies that were trying to sell their products. They gave one just enough information to make one believe them without questioning their claims. If they did give the reader any information pertaining to ephedrine***65533;s safety, it was extremely vague. There were a few web sites that protested against ephedrine***65533;s safety. Most of these web sites were either doctors or sites that dealt with a person***65533;s health.



Conclusion:

While the effects of ephedrine sound appealing, the effectiveness is only short-lived. It may be true that one will lose weight while taking diet pills that contain ephedrine, but once he/she is off of these pills he/she will gain weight if good nutrition and exercise are not continued. It is true that ephedrine works, but in order to maintain the weight loss, one must continue taking the pills. Ephedrine is a very controversial drug that has been clinically proven to have adverse side effects if not taken properly. It has also been proven to be effective in weight loss studies. It is up to the consumer whether he/she should take this drug. In conclusion, to maintain a healthy body, one must make an effort to take care of it.
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halfwit said:
Absolutely can confirm this as a type II diabetic. Cinnamon w/chromium picolinate is DEFINITELY recommended and is even often sold in the diabetic section of most pharmacies. I've yet to see anything Austinite say come back as incorrect to be honest. NOW STAY! Or it's the gimp suit for Dre again! :mad:
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C'mon Austin, I really don't want the gimp suit.........again :(
 
Austin1 said:
No worries. I'm not taking nonsense like I did in the past. I can be passive aggressive, too.
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That's an ugly term, and the one someone (one of your 'favorite' posters) used against you months earlier :(. Halfwit and I corrupted you so it's ok to say "I can be a dick too" :)
 
Austin1 said:
You have no experience. Admittedly. Nonsensical objections to be honest. I don't see how you can shoot down years of hard work with no experience and understanding of how the two compounds differ whatsoever.

You can say "I just don't see how" all day long. Try researching. Some of the things I found cannot be found online or at your local library. I, personally found it. You'll understand soon enough.
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One doesn't need first hand experience to recommend a more potent/economical solution with more side effects(though minuscule).

You're using the genetic fallacy- you have experience/studied thus you feel syn-ephedrine is the logical solution, and mine is not note worthy. While I agree syn is the more safer/optimal method; the other method is more economical, causes no real harm(assuming you're not stupid), and offers better yielding results giving the potency of ephedrine/ephdra in comparison to Syn.

I simply don't see anyone dying from ephedrine unless of course you use an over abundance, but that goes for almost all things, including water.
 
Austin1 said:
Thanks.

There's nothing unsafe about the stack. This was not put together overnight. It's endless trial and error, blood work, research and much more. The sole purpose of this stack was to find a safer and effective alternative to ECA and it succeeded. The doses are extremely strategic.

Everything can kill you. Look at the side effects of vitamin C. Apparently you'll get cancer.
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Vitamin C just gives me the runs. :-\
 
APOLLON said:
Banned ?
Stuff was legal to get here in Canada at 8 mg/tab....
this was back in 2005 when I was in supp. stores quite a bit...
haven't seen it on the shelves here...
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In America. Canada can still get it via the Kaizen company. It can be found in most GNC/Gorilla Jacked across Canada.

Also banned =/= illegal in America.
 
DreDay187 said:
That's an ugly term, and the one someone (one of your 'favorite' posters) used against you months earlier :(. Halfwit and I corrupted you so it's ok to say "I can be a dick too" :)
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Yep, totally have your back Austinite. No shenanigans going on anymore. :mad:
 
enzo321 said:
One doesn't need first hand experience to recommend a more potent/economical solution with more side effects(though minuscule).

You're using the genetic fallacy- you have experience/studied thus you feel syn-ephedrine is the logical solution, and mine is not note worthy. While I agree syn is the more safer/optimal method; the other method is more economical, causes no real harm(assuming you're not stupid), and offers better yielding results giving the potency of ephedrine/ephdra in comparison to Syn.

I simply don't see anyone dying from ephedrine unless of course you use an over abundance, but that goes for almost all things, including water.
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You're not seeing his point. You admittedly have not ran the stack yourself to test efficacy. Ok, one doesn't need to have first hand experience to recommend alternatives. But you'd need intimate knowledge and detail of the functions of each to make the assessment since you lack first hand experience. You have not studied either compound in depth enough to make that assumption and recommendation from an authoritative position. What Austin is saying is that he has studied the metabolic, oxidative, etc pathways to know the efficacy of the compound and the synergistic effect it has with the others.

How can you comment on the potency of synephrine without having tried it yourself? Have you performed an exhaustive research project on it? You yourself said the ECA stack is a better appetite suppressant than it is a fat burner stack. You also stated ephedrine has more sides than synephrine. I don't get the purpose of your continued argument besides just wanting to debate your point.
 
DreDay187 said:
You're not seeing his point. You admittedly have not ran the stack yourself to test efficacy. Ok, one doesn't need to have first hand experience to recommend alternatives. But you'd need intimate knowledge and detail of the functions of each to make the assessment since you lack first hand experience. You have not studied either compound in depth enough to make that assumption and recommendation from an authoritative position. What Austin is saying is that he has studied the metabolic, oxidative, etc pathways to know the efficacy of the compound and the synergistic effect it has with the others.

How can you comment on the potency of synephrine without having tried it yourself? Have you performed an exhaustive research project on it? You yourself said the ECA stack is a better appetite suppressant than it is a fat burner stack. You also stated ephedrine has more sides than synephrine. I don't get the purpose of your continued argument besides just wanting to debate your point.
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Don't be silly, you can't try synephrine from prison while hustlin' and pimpin'! ;)
 
blaj said:
It is probably no longer online but austinite suggested a weight loss stack combining the use of

Chromium picolinate at 800 mg per day (I believe)
Synephrine at 10 to 20 mg per day
EGCg at (I think) 600 mg per day

I have been running that for a little while and it does seem to work but I came across this tonight

Discovery Health "How Chromium Picolinate Works"

And according to this Chromium picolinate has been linked to DNA mutation and cancer....

Something to really think about.

Any opinions on this guys ?
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Austin(ite)... great to see you back buddy :)

I have a question...

I want to add EGCg to my daily diet, but also want to run your fat-burning stack in a few months time....

In your daily supplementation regimen - you suggested running EGCg at 1260mg
For your fat burning stack you suggested taking 600mg pre-workout

I might be asking a ridiculous question here - but would you take the 600mg pre-workout and the other 660mg(?) in the morning?

Also, do you recommend taking it in capsule form or another form?

Thanks buddy

BigBen :)
 
Honestly, from the intelligent postings I've read (not just by Austinite but applicable to this threads discussion) I would take cyanide, anti-freeze and hydrochloric acid if Austinite put his stamp of approval for beneficial applications I should add. Obviously, I went to the extreme, but you get my point. That's why all of the Austinite articles I've read are saved. If you're producing a book I would love to hear about that.

Come on Dre and Halfwit.. I need to add to my collection.. You guys are slacking a bit. I thank all of the Austinite's, Halfwits, and Dre's on here educating me.
 
DrHouse said:
Honestly, from the intelligent postings I've read (not just by Austinite but applicable to this threads discussion) I would take cyanide, anti-freeze and hydrochloric acid if Austinite put his stamp of approval for beneficial applications I should add. Obviously, I went to the extreme, but you get my point. That's why all of the Austinite articles I've read are saved. If you're producing a book I would love to hear about that.

Come on Dre and Halfwit.. I need to add to my collection.. You guys are slacking a bit. I thank all of the Austinite's, Halfwits, and Dre's on here educating me.
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That's sounds like Krokodil.
 
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