A cycle plan I have never heard before.

[Kenzo Tenma]

Hello guys.
I'm new to this forum as a user but in the past I have spent a lot of hours here.
I am creating this post to ask a question about a cycle one of my friends suggested for me.

This is the first time I consider steroid use.
My weight is 154 lbs and my height 5' 7''.
My bodyfat is 15% and I am 31 years old.
(And I am a fan of steroid junkie)

Your research here has shown me that there is a standard 1st time cycle.


Testosterone E 400mgs per week for 12 weeks.
Nolva And clomid for 3 weeks for the PCT.

But (because there is always a but..) one of my friends who is a competitive bber for years suggested that I use the following compounds for the following duration.

D-bol 40mgs ED For 5 weeks.

TEST E 500mgs(or 2cc) EW For 5 weeks.

Nolva and proviron ED for 5 weeks

Then 3 weeks out with pregnyl (he did not tell me how much)

And then right again IF there is a need for more gains I jump into the same cycle.

It sounded kinda short when I am reading in almost every site that test E should be used for 12 (min) to 16 weeks (max).
And also for what I know test e is that it is a slow acting ester and that's why we use d-bol at the start of some cycles to kickstart the effects.

(Please forgive me if I am wrong in any point.)

So returning to the meaning of this post.

Can a cycle like this be effective or even plausible or a waste of time, money and unwanted consiquences ?
I mean that my buddy does it but I do not know what are the effects and why the duration is so small comparing to any other reccomended cycle.
It reminds me some cycles that were called "blitz".

If another post like this lies here somewhere where I did not notice please excuse me for the disturbance and delete it.

 

[DeepSouthIron]

That short of a cycle wouldn't be worth it. The test e would just be starting to get going by the time you ended it.

 

[Kenzo Tenma]

That short of a cycle wouldn't be worth it. The test e would just be starting to get going by the time you ended it.

This is what I suspected (I read it basicaly).

How the hell did my buddy build a body like that then I am truly wondering...

Thank you for your answer.

 

[China_Wall]

just imagine the results your buddy would be having if he was doing it right

test e/dbol is fine, but do it like this:

test e 500mg per wk for 12 wks
dbol 50mg per day for 6 wks (many say 4, but I think 6 is fine)

wait 15 days after your last injection of test e, then begin clomid 50mg/nolva 30mg for 30 days

 

[ErectusMaximus]

I would wonder if your friend meant test P.... Still your wise to stick to 500mg of test E for 12 weeks.

 

[nickb86]

right im not sure what your freind is doing but with the greatest of respect hes completely wrong and that is a very unsensible way of doing things, you will gain alot less and cause alot more havoc on your body. I would cycle your stuff like this, if it is test p its still a joke cycle and you have no supports in place or protection aginast what you are taking mate, without the neccessary post cycle therapy (pct) and preventative measures you will not recovery aswell, could be very bad and will give a worse expaeriacne and less gains and you may even lose most of them. I would have a proper read and take the time to learn why and how because unfortunatly you are heading for disaster my freind.

All that siad i will lay out a proper cycle for you and try to explain why buddy....

weeks.
1-12 Test e 500mg/wk-split Mon/thurs (can split 400mg if you lke but 500mgs better dosage. (Your test will not kick in fully til week 4/5 thats why you kickstart with the dbol bud)
1-4/6 Dbol 40mg/day (this will act fast and give you the gains and dramatic strength increase while the test e is taking hold, test should be working wk4/5).
1-4/6 N2guard (liver protection from the dbol, deals with all organ protection bp issues etc)
1-4 Hcgenerate (prevents your testicles shrinking because of all the test in your system).
5-8 HCG 500ius x2 a week Mon/Thursday. (helps to protect and stop testicular atrophy)
9-12 Hcgnerate (keeping your balls bigger and better meaans a smoother recovery)
1-12 Aromasin 12.5mg eod (Ai this will stop the aromatize enzyme converting test to eastrogen, it will kill almost all of it leaving a beneficial amount left, we need some eastro for muscle bulding, if you dont take it may get gyno and grow tits)

post cycle therapy (pct).-post cycle therapy (recovery period)
14-17 Clomid 25/25/25/25 (helps with hpta recovery and eastrogen blocking, if you run wht i said a low dosage is best, gigher will add no extra benefits)
14-17 unleashed/postcycle (excellent recovery products)
14-19 Daa (test booster)
14-19 forma stanzol (otc Aromatase inhibitor (AI) helps in many ways, also controls the eastrogen rebound frm the clomid).

Some will say this is sweet others will say other things etc, but you must deal with the eastrogen on cycle, address the livr issues as youre tking a hepatoxic oral steroid.
you must ensure you prevent testicular atrophy and do the best you can for post cycle therapy (pct), in order to recover and stay healthy and to keep your gains, who want to run and poison there body gain 25lbs and keep 10lb with a little effort you can do well.

If you want to run a perfect cycle be entirley safe than this is it, some will scrimpt and not run things but its your health at the end of the day and a better structured cycle with a successful post cycle therapy (pct) and swift recovery will gain more than 2 or more failed cycles. Have a good read and makesure you have evrything on hand before you start mate.
Hope this helps.

 

[juced_porkchop]

That is a very bad cycle dont listin to you freind. just because hes old and been doignit for a logn time dosent mean he know what hge is doing. people sometimes make up their minds a long tiem back on "how its done" ignoring research and findings (seems he is one)

good first cycle:
wk1-14 400-500mg teste or cyp ew (in 2 shots per week id possible but one is ok)
wk1-15 AI: Stane 12.5mg eod (or as needed)
wk16-20 post cycle therapy (pct) 4 weeks: Clomid: wk1 70/wk2 70/wk3 35/wk4 35mg ed Tamox/nolva: 30/30/20/20

and MAYBE an oral if you feel you really need to (i rec Tbol for its low sides if you do)

 

[juced_porkchop]

and no need for HCG inj all cycles liek i see spreadign all over... if you feel you have issue recovering from a clomid/tamox combo, then use it the next time the last 4-5 weeks of cycle at 500iu 2X a week.
i rec it only for super long cycles or multiple compound cycles that are harsh.

 

[Kenzo Tenma]

wk1-15 AI: Stane 12.5mg eod (or as needed)

Will it be an annoying newbie attitude to ask what is stane?
And what Aromatase inhibitor (AI) means. I do not know that.

Nickb86 thank you very much for the information. To be honest I was doing some research for more compounds that will be used to have a safer cycle.

just imagine the results your buddy would be having if he was doing it right

test e/dbol is fine, but do it like this:

test e 500mg per wk for 12 wks
dbol 50mg per day for 6 wks (many say 4, but I think 6 is fine)

wait 15 days after your last injection of test e, then begin clomid 50mg/nolva 30mg for 30 days

This sounds like quite the plan.
How about replacing D-bol with T-bol though just like juiced porkchop suggested?
I have not found a lot of info about this drug but it is considered to be the same as D-bol with more mild side effects.

Again forgive me if I am wrong.

And ma buddy is absolutely amazing. I just do not know how his blood test results may look like.

Anyway thank you All for your answers. I really appreciate your help!

 

[DADAWG]

fellas i get tired of aslways being the bad guy . why havent every one of you pointed out he isnt ready for steroids at 154 pounds.

steroids do not fix bad diet , training , or rest/sleep and at 150 pounds there is no way your ready for steroids.and for the record never ever ever take steroid advice from your friend again .

 

[Kenzo Tenma]

fellas i get tired of aslways being the bad guy . why havent every one of you pointed out he isnt ready for steroids at 154 pounds.

steroids do not fix bad diet , training , or rest/sleep and at 150 pounds there is no way your ready for steroids.and for the record never ever ever take steroid advice from your friend again .

Well ok.
No advice from my buddy.
I do not consider you a bad guy or stuff. It's ok.
If there is anything I should know about the weight I shall gain before I start cycling please let me know.


Also my nutrition and rest is good enough I think (although I did not mention a thing 'bout it).
I can post it if you want to check it and reccomend ways to get it better.
If this is possible of course.

 

[DADAWG]

Well ok.
No advice from my buddy.
I do not consider you a bad guy or stuff. It's ok.
If there is anything I should know about the weight I shall gain before I start cycling please let me know.


Also my nutrition and rest is good enough I think (although I did not mention a thing 'bout it).
I can post it if you want to check it and reccomend ways to get it better.
If this is possible of course.

no offense but even at your height theres a reason you only weigh 150 pounds . if you truly believe you eat and train right then i would talk to my doctor about getting blood work to test for low testosterone . there has to be a reason you weigh 150 pounds , its not just a cooincidence.

 

[SicVic]

How is your Energy???

 

[donjob]

pour olive oil on everything you eat

 

[Kenzo Tenma]

pour olive oil on everything you eat

I do that already sir. Except the protein shake