advice on heavy strength cycle

[dmk47]

I'm a powerlifter coming off a pretty successful test/eq cycle that got leveled in its last 3 weeks when I came down with pneumonia. I'm well again, did my PCT, and looking to get started again with a fairly hardcore 16 week cycle focused primarily on increasing strength. The base of it is going to be:

Test E @ 600mg/week, wks 1-16
Tren E @ 500mg/week, wks 1-16
Dbol @ 50mg/day, wks 1-4
Halotest @10mg before training (4x/week), wks 1-3, wks 5-7, wks, 9-11, wks 13-15

(I've gotten good use with no sides from tren ace in the past so not too worried about tren E tolerability. The halo is in there purely for the strength boost on training days and I won't do it for long because that shit wrecks your liver.)

I want to add another long-estered steroid for the whole 16 weeks and I'm inclined to try Deca @ 600mg/week, but I've never combined test, tren, and nandrolone in the same cycle and I'm wondering if there might be a better addition to the test and tren, or whether I should just add another 200 or 300 mgs each of test and tren and scrap the third component.

Also looking for advice on any shorter term additions to part of the cycle, as well as any additional orals. I'm pretty much willing to mess around with anything and see how it works for me, except for anadrol because it's made me sick every time I've tried it.

So, let me know what y'all think. Pretty open to suggestions, and again, increasing mass is okay but the point of this is strength. If I could put 100 lbs on my raw 3-lift total I'd consider the cycle a success.

 

["200lbs is 200lbs" H.L.R.]

dont add the deca. Deca and tren together will wreak havoc with prolactin issues and the little bit of extra gains isnt worth it. I would run the test at 300mg and up the tren to 6 or 700 a week. Your already kickstarting with dbol. I dont see why you want to add another compound, dont you know your already running the most intense steroid available? Tren doesnt need help brotha.

what you taking for an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and a da?

and how many cycles have you ran?

 

[essays]

That is a very strong cycle you're looking at brother. In my opinion: Too strong. That's a LONG time to be on tren.

Would you mind outlining what your Test/EQ cycle was for my curiosity's sake? I'm running EQ for the first time in a couple months...

 

[dmk47]

Sure. It was 600/600 per week for 14 weeks, 50mg of dbol ED for the first 4 weeks and 50 mg of Winstrol (winny) ED for the last 4 weeks (cut short, as I said, by pneumonia -- get a vaccination from your GP and do it yesterday, trust me). I'd also throw in a halo tab before training intermittently. Got my raw ATG squat from around 580 to 605.

The first (and second) time I did tren ace I got myself prepared for all the awful sides everybody talks about and honestly they just never happened for me (nor the third, fourth etc. time I did it). That said, 16 weeks is long and it's an enanthate ester so I take your point about cutting down the time.

What do you think of adding the deca?

 

[BBE]

I think 16 weeks is the sweet spot for EQ to really work its magic.

 

[essays]

What do you think of adding the deca?

You sound like you've got a lot of steroid cycles under your belt and a lot of first hand experience...

Normally I'd never recommend stacking 19nor's, but you might be ok running a minimal dosage of deca for joint lube purposes.

That cycle you ran of EQ is quite similar to what im looking at... currently thinking:
Weeks 1-17 520mg test
Weeks 1-14 400mg EQ
Weeks 1-11 250mg Deca (joint support only, really)
Weeks 1-4 20mg SuperDrol ED
Weeks 11-17 50mg Anavar ED.

I'd like more of your thoughts on EQ if you don't mind going slightly off topic... Did you notice it kicking in a few weeks after the test did? What effects on cycle would you attribute directly to the EQ? Would you ever run it again? I've read a LOT of mixed reviews.

 

[size_matters]

Holy crap man, tren @ 500mg/wk for 16 wks, I'll raise my hat if you come out alive... but seriously I wouldn't recomend exceeding 300-400mg/wk for 12-14 weeks at the most...

 

[dmk47]

I'd like more of your thoughts on EQ if you don't mind going slightly off topic... Did you notice it kicking in a few weeks after the test did? What effects on cycle would you attribute directly to the EQ? Would you ever run it again? I've read a LOT of mixed reviews.

Bear in mind, again, I'm a powerlifter, so my interest in AAS is a little different from most of the people on the forums. My experience with EQ is that it give mild but sustainable increases in mass, moderate increases in strength and has some of the joint protective effects people attribute to Deca (the only nandrolone I've done is NPP so I can't speak to Deca directly). The best thing about it, in my opinion, is that unlike virtually every other compound, it has a slow, steady buildup that you won't notice until about 6 weeks into a cycle and really becomes pronounced around 10 weeks in. What this does is accelerates your gains in the back end of a long cycle. I'm unaware of anything else that does this. In terms of its biochemistry, EQ ought to be like an injectable dbol but obviously it operates very differently. Whatever the mechanism is, it seems to work a little differently from any test or nandrolone or DHT derivative so it could be a nice complement to any of them.

Coming back around to my cycle, you're obviously right and it's crazy on my part to think about combining 19-Nor's, especially over 4 months, unless I'm attempting chemical sterilization. size_matter's point about the tren dosing @ 500 seems reasonable too -- my tren ace dose has always been 50mg/day or 100/EOD for 350/week. At the same time, it's my understanding that with longer chain esters, there is less available androgen per injected milligram than with shorter chains. That's why I was thinking of bumping to 500 for tren E.

Here's my revised plan:

test E/tren E/EQ for 16 weeks @ 600/400/600 per week respectively
dbol @50 ED, weeks 1-4
winny @50 ED weeks 15-18
var @50 ED weeks 15-18
halo @10 before training weeks 1-3, 5-7, 9-11, 13-15, 17-18

What do you think? Anything you'd add or subtract?

 

[essays]

Very solid looking revision imo... If you don't come out of that one like a champ I'd be surprised.

Have you ever considered using test suspension as an addition? From what I've read, it's still extremely popular in competitive power lifting meets. Guys were using it at the world police and fire games in NY this year. I suppose that it would be doing the same "pre-workout" job as your halotestin though.

Thanks for your experience with EQ. I'm looking forward to it. I might push it to 16 weeks of EQ @ 520mg/week even...

 

[dmk47]

Thanks. Think I'm good to go then.

I know guys who swear by pre-meet test suspension. My issue with it is that maybe 1 out 20 injections causes some pain and cramping at the injection site which I'd rather not deal with on the platform, hence the halo tabs.

Good luck with the EQ, 400 is enough to get something out of it (that was my first time dose with it) but with your experience 520 seems nice to me.

 

[essays]

Thanks. Think I'm good to go then.

I know guys who swear by pre-meet test suspension. My issue with it is that maybe 1 out 20 injections causes some pain and cramping at the injection site which I'd rather not deal with on the platform, hence the halo tabs.

Good luck with the EQ, 400 is enough to get something out of it (that was my first time dose with it) but with your experience 520 seems nice to me.

Much appreciated. I hope you stick around on this forum, there's a good crew of knowledgeable guys here but we always welcome another.

 

[dmk47]

Yeah thanks. I guess I've made myself enough of a guinea pig over the years to know whereof I'm speaking.

 

["200lbs is 200lbs" H.L.R.]

Bear in mind, again, I'm a powerlifter, so my interest in AAS is a little different from most of the people on the forums. My experience with EQ is that it give mild but sustainable increases in mass, moderate increases in strength and has some of the joint protective effects people attribute to Deca (the only nandrolone I've done is NPP so I can't speak to Deca directly). The best thing about it, in my opinion, is that unlike virtually every other compound, it has a slow, steady buildup that you won't notice until about 6 weeks into a cycle and really becomes pronounced around 10 weeks in. What this does is accelerates your gains in the back end of a long cycle. I'm unaware of anything else that does this. In terms of its biochemistry, EQ ought to be like an injectable dbol but obviously it operates very differently. Whatever the mechanism is, it seems to work a little differently from any test or nandrolone or DHT derivative so it could be a nice complement to any of them.

Coming back around to my cycle, you're obviously right and it's crazy on my part to think about combining 19-Nor's, especially over 4 months, unless I'm attempting chemical sterilization. size_matter's point about the tren dosing @ 500 seems reasonable too -- my tren ace dose has always been 50mg/day or 100/EOD for 350/week. At the same time, it's my understanding that with longer chain esters, there is less available androgen per injected milligram than with shorter chains. That's why I was thinking of bumping to 500 for tren E.

Here's my revised plan:

test E/tren E/EQ for 16 weeks @ 600/400/600 per week respectively
dbol @50 ED, weeks 1-4
winny @50 ED weeks 15-18
var @50 ED weeks 15-18
halo @10 before training weeks 1-3, 5-7, 9-11, 13-15, 17-18

What do you think? Anything you'd add or subtract?

I dont know what kind of experience you guys have but 16 weeks on tren isnt that big of a deal. Also why would anyone run eq over masteron? Masteron has the same effects without the bp issues or the over abundance of red blood cells which can cause lethargy. I ran eq at 800mg ew for 12 weeks and swithched to mast e...best decision Ive ever made. Mast is far underated imo.

if you have ever ran eq then your going to find out what 600 is going to do...not much. And the whole joint lubricating thing is over rated even with deca.


I might be bringing in a little to wide of a range of experience here because I know this is a conservative board but like I said...raise that tren up, drop the test to testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) doses, and throw out that eq. If you want to add another compound, for whatever reason, then add mast or some peptides. My personal opinions though

 

[gymrat827]

if you go with your revised plan i would just go 400 on the test, 400 of tren will drown it out easy

idk about the orals either?? maybe just the Anavar (var), you should be hard and dry already.

 

[essays]

if you go with your revised plan i would just go 400 on the test, 400 of tren will drown it out easy

idk about the orals either?? maybe just the Anavar (var), you should be hard and dry already.

He's going for strength. It's a good setup.

 

[Bullseye Forever]

Wow brother!! not being an ass,but if you decide to run tren e at those doses and for that long,plus adding deca to the mix,you are asking for a train wreck.....maybe not now,but soon,its not "if" it happens its "when" it happens......im not hating on you man,just looking out for you...

you look like you have a lot of experience in long cycles and compounds,but geeze man,tren e at 500-600mg/week for 4 months you have bigger balls than me.....you are going to ruin your heart,kidneys,liver and trash your lipids....in a short time....deca is a bitch to recover from on its on.....but you add tren in there to with orals?Yoour insides will eventually look like a hamburger....be safe man

 

["200lbs is 200lbs" H.L.R.]

bullseye you crack me up

 

[dmk47]

read the revision

 

[diggydev]

Guys were using it at the world police and fire games in NY this year. I suppose that it would be doing the same "pre-workout" job as your halotestin though.

see you in belfast then??? lol

 

[China_Wall]

test/tren w/dbol is fine... but... 10mg halo is a not gonna do a thing for u, except maybe make u think it's doing something. Also taking it before u train; it doesn't work like that bro, it's not speed... it's nowhere near that immediate. u'd be better off taking it at 30-40mg ed, spacing it out over the day, run it like this 2-3 wks leading up to your next comp...

if ur looking for something way more effective for a pre-workout kicker, forget the halo and try a good-ol' cup of strong black coffee