AI dose duing cycle

Ridiculous87

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Some clarification is needed on Aromatase inhibitor (AI) during cycle as I have read conflicting things.

Aromasin:

I have heard 12.5 ED and 12.5 EOD... What is correct? Also, if 12.5 EOD is correct, would 6.25 ED suffice? I'm looking for baseline values here, obviously this could change depending on bloods and more specifically E2 values.

I know Aromasin's half-life is much shorter than Arimidex and so ED seems correct for Aromasin, but 12.5 mg ED would get pricey, fast on a long cycle.

Should Aromatase inhibitor (AI) be taken until the final pin or until the start of post cycle therapy (pct)? I have heard both and not sure which is best and why.

Thanks!
 
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Everyone's different man. Some don't take it at all unless sides come. Some take a low dose and increase if needed. I usually take 12.5 eod and I'm fine.
 
For sure. I definately realize everyone's different but I was just looking a good starting point. Im gong to run Aromatase inhibitor (AI) regardless as I'd rather be safe than sorry (fat titties). I will definately get bloods and adjust things accordingly once I'm into my cycle. Thanks for your input.

Do you take your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) in the morning?
 
I take adex not aromasin at .25mg ed.

I take it mid day.

I take it up to just prior to starting post cycle therapy (pct). You don't need it during post cycle therapy (pct) if you are running a sound post cycle therapy (pct) and using both Clomid and Nolva.
 
i tried 12.5 EOD but my blood pressure was not controlled, 12.5 ED works for me. next week i will test blood to see if the dose does what i want. blood pressure tells me water retention is controlled
 
as we all know, we are all unique. each persons rate of aromatization is unique to that individual. however, one physiological commonality is that the aromatase enzyme is synthesized in response to elevated testosterone levels. as a result the activity of this enzyme will be dose dependent.

the answer to your question is some what multifaceted... a fact about the drug is that it possesses a 27hr halflife. IMO, the goal should be to provide stability with both compounds and ancillaries. in order to do this, we must be aware of the the half life of what we're administering. Outside of this is the circumstances that the drug will be facing as it enters the body. what i mean by this is the compounds and dosages being ran. the higher the dose of exogenous testosterone, the greater the potential for aromatase activity.

does that mean to just take more? not necessarily... more is not always better. too much of an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) will cause e2 to fall below normal range. with this comes a host of side effects very similar to that of high e2. balance is key here.

how do we know what our "sweet spot" is? first we start with some guidelines. if we're still relatively new to this world, we are still learning our bodies. as a result, hopefully you're taking it one compound at a time and being rather conservative so that you can pay attention to what your body is going thru. with that being said, the typical Aromatase inhibitor (AI) dose is going to depend on what your doses are. you start with the guideline amount and run it for a few weeks. if it's enanthate based (prop kicker or not) you should consider running bloodwork at week 6 or 7 to verify Aromatase inhibitor (AI) dose effectiveness. there are some private labs out there that allow you to do this without a doctors' orders. i'm not very familiar with the rules here, so i won't reference them (PM me if you're curious). one of these labs has a panel called "female hormone" panel. this gives a comprehensive metabolic assessment, along with the following:

Test serum
LH
FSH
estradiol

this allows you to see where your current e2 levels are at. if your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) dose is on point, you should be between 10-50. you will also get a glimpse at your total test levels. if your gear is bunk, you'll see it on paper. if not, it should be pegged out by week 6. (with a prop base / short ester cycle, you would run this sooner).

now, for me: running enanthate at 500/wk and aromasin at 12.5 EOD, my e2 levels are around 48-50. that's marginally high, but not bad. my sex drive and libido doesn't diminish at this point, but i like it to be much higher when i'm on cycle - remind me of being a teenager again. lol. at 6.25 ED for the same level of test, my numbers drop around 10 points +/-, which is much better IMO. when i run test at 750-1000 a week, i have to run it at 12.5 EOD.

here's some more information on AI's, if you guys are curious:

steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/642940-what-ai-do-i-need.html
 
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Thank you for the very in depth response, it's greatly appreciated and very informative. Repped.

I'm going to be running test cyp at 500mg/wk (pin mon and thurs), so I think I'll start at 6.25mg ED to start until I get blood work done week 6/7. Luckily I live in Canada so I should be able to just go get my doctor to run the bloods for me.

Thanks again man!
 
one of these labs has a panel called "female hormone" panel. this gives a comprehensive metabolic assessment, along with the following:

Test serum
LH
FSH
estradiol

Hope I am not hijacking the thread, maybe Ridiculous87 would like to know this to. Does the female hormone panel provide enough info to give us an idea as to where we are? I know that there a bunch of other levels that can and should be checked as well but that can get pricey.

It is also possible to have your doctor check things like cholesterol, etc.....ordinary things that a doctor would do for an adult male.
 
It varies depending on the person. Some people have more aromatase enzyme, others have less. It's the same thing with DHT, one major reason why some men appear very manly while others barely have any hair on their legs. Most aromatase in a man occurs in brain and adipose tissue. Since most people have the same amount of brain tissue, although neuronal density may differ, one of the biggest factors is how much fat you have on you. When I'm lean I don't need an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), when I'm over 14% I use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and increase my dose according to how much BF I have as well as how well I respond to the AI.

Long story short, everyone is different and there are a lot of factors which come into play.
 
no doubt. try to get total estrogen on the blood panel. what I described above is just estradiol (e2), which ranges between 10-50 for adult males. that is only one of the estrogen hormones, but it the only one checked in the panel that I run. below 150 on total estrogen and you're good.
 
Get a e2 sensitive array, the female hormone panels aren't very sensitive as our ranges come in under the range for females.
 
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