AICAR vs GW50 for Endurance, etc.

[cybrsage]

As everyone probably knows by now, I LOVE LOVE LOVE GW50. To me, it is the one thing mother nature messed up on when she did not design us to create it in our own bodies. But since she DID create us with massive intellects, we learned how to fix that issue by creating it in our labs. OI am a GW50 junkie.

A "new" competing product is aiming for the GW50 crown. I put new in quotes because it has been around for decades and has been used in open heart surgery to increase survival odds and reduce recovery time for all those decades as well. But now it is being used as a PED (performance enhancing drug), and it appears much like GW50. It operates slightly differently. I did a write up on it here:

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...carboxamide-ribonucleotide-how-does-work.html


So in the light of scientific discovery, I have procured a bottle from SarmsSearch and am going to use it instead of my normal GW50 until the bottle runs dry. I ran out of GW50 2 days ago, so today is a good day to start the AICAR. The recommended dosing is 25mg per day (as seen here: http://www.steroidology.com/forum/p...845-sarms-recommended-dosing.html#post3674845) and the bottle comes with 30ml of 25mg/ml, meaning it should last 30 days. A month should be plenty to see if it is a good competitor for my uses.

Both are called "exercise in a bottle" in that they trick the body into thinking you just exercised so it does all its muscle growth, fat loss, etc. that it does after you exercise. One key difference is that GW50 only works if you actually DO some real exercise while AICAR does not need any real exercise at all to do its trick. Both were / are being designed to help the bed ridden and those with muscle wasting diseases. Another key issue is that the body actually makes some AICAR all by itself, by adding more you are "supercharging" the system to work more robustly.


I will update this log with my feelings, etc. I am going to dose 1 hour before going to the gym tonight.

 

[Gbrad]

Will be following this research. Thx!

 

[cybrsage]

Today will be day 3 of AICAR use and the 4th day without any GW50. First 2 days I noticed no changes, but I did not notice anything on GW50 during that time either so it is not a surprise. Today I will be concentrating entirely on cardio, so I will have a great comparison to GW50. I will update either later tonight or tomorrow morning.

 

[iron-game]

Following your log bro

 

[cybrsage]

OK, so I purposefully did not do any cardio for 4 days in a row. I would love to say it was in the interest of science and performing the comparison between GW50 and AICAR, but frankly I just felt like crap. I woke up happy and refreshed some time a week or so ago and did a normal stretching of my arms above my head with the obligatory groaning noise that always accompanies such a move when I felt a pop in my neck and the most horrible, excruciating pain shot down my right arm and exploded in my right hand. It was so bad it made me create a run on sentence about it! I have not felt such pain in a great long time, and was feeling happy and refreshed. My wife was very concerned and actually did not complain I woke her up with my cry of agony. I went to my sports therapist (who is treating my entrapped nerve) and he said I had two vertebrae go out of alignment. The root cause - getting older apparently for there was no real reason for it to have happened. So I did not do any cardio for a week to make sure all was well.

My sports therapist DID tell me to start doing weights again and said my body will let me know if the weights are too high. I did start weights again.

Going back to YK11. I did cardio last night. I felt frustrated, fat, and unhappy. I figured if I was already unhappy I might as well do a long cardio session, the worst it would do is add tired to the list...and I know cardio is good for removing fat, so I did cardio. I did 40 minutes of about 135bps cardio and did not feel all that tired at the end. I could probably have kept going, but I plan on dong legs today to I did not want to over do it last night.

The big difference I noticed between GW50 and AICAR, so far, is that I can FEEL the GW50 giving me energy...I knew it was working. With AICAR, I feel no such thing, but it is obviously working. This is probably due to AICAR being a substance the body naturally produces to do a task and GW50 is not...though I am only guessing. I do miss that feeling, but it is probably better to not have it.

More posts to come in the next few days.

 

[cybrsage]

Damn, has it really been five days since I posted in this log? Sorry folks!

I am liking the AICAR. I think it tastes better than GW50 and I also like that it works even if I do not do any exercise that day. GW50 requires exercise or it does nothing. I also like that it is something the body already makes naturally and I am simply "ramping up the dial" so to speak. It makes me think of blasting with testosterone - something the body already makes but you "ramp up the dial" to make great gains.

I do miss the feeling that it is doing something - that slight buzz feeling I always get from GW50, but from here on out I think I will replace GW50 with AICAR as my endurance drug of choice. I still have half the bottle left to use, so the log will continue.

 

[cybrsage]

I have decided to run a bottle of GW50 after this bottle of AICAR is complete...that way I can compare apples to oranges. I had not bee doing heavy lifting for almost two months due to a nerve entrapment in my right arm, but my sports medicine doctor said I can start using it again but to listen closely to my body as I do.

Another two weeks of AICAR, then four weeks of GW50, then this log will be complete.

 

[Yjyankee]

Damn dude, I missed this log!! Sorry to hear about the injury!! Getting old brings teh suck!!!

 

[cybrsage]

It does, but it is far better than the alternative!

 

[Milton]

It does, but it is far better than the alternative!

For real thanks for the updates!

 

[cybrsage]

Still going strong with the AICAR. The updates, like the GW50 log I did, are getting repetitive and boring...so I am going to slow them down. Suffice it to say I am liking AICAR. I am really looking forward to moving back to GW50 and seeing how I feel after the change. If I do not feel any different, then AICAR is the better choice.

We shall see!

 

[hurricane187]

Thanks for the reports. Ive never used AICAR but gw-501516 really was a break through for me with its help in raising my endurance levels.I cant say enough good things about it,it really really helped me get through intense cardio sessions

 

[cybrsage]

The AICAR bottle is empty, the new GW50 bottle should be here soon. I wanted to wait a few days between ending the one and starting the other to make sure there was no residual overlap.

We will soon see which is better.

 

[cybrsage]

Due to my surgery, I had to delay the second phase of the trial. Now that I am over a week without the neck brace, I have started taking GW50 again. I know it takes me about a week for the GW to kick in, so I am going to restart this log when it does, just a few more days now.

 

[cybrsage]

OK, I have been using the GW50 for about 2 weeks now and I know it is fully in my system. It has given me the same energy and "push through" it always has done, and is why I love it so much. If I had to choose between the AICAR and GW50, I would choose GW50, but ONLY if I was actually working out a lot. If I was a "walk around the neighborhood - whew, my workout is done" type of person (not knocking them, they are much better than the do nothing people), I would choose AICAR. AICAR works even if you do not work out, since it is what the body makes when you work out. But since I DO work out, GW50 gives me more energy and drive than AICAR did.

What I want to try next is to use BOTH at the same time. I need to save up a little bit first and then I will, I have an unopened bottle of GW sitting there for when my currently in use bottle is empty. Time to try a synergistic trial. Everyone says they work great together, I am going to put that to the test. It will be another week or two, I just bought blood work and am tapped out again.

 

[cybrsage]

HAH! You all thought I forgot about this log, didn't you? Well, you are WRONG!

I finally got around to getting my new bottle of AICAR from SarmsSearch and still have my bottle of GW50, so I will be logging running them both at the same time. I have actually been doing so for a week now. I noticed it takes me about a week for the products to kick in. Many people feel them immediately, and I am slightly jealous of those people, but the way I look at it, it just means I will feel it after I stop longer than they will too. Or at least I tell myself this.

Anyway, I have found that my endurance is definitely better when running both AICAR and GW50 than if I ran either one separately. I also found I am actually more motivated to do my cardio when running both than when running either one separately. When running GW50 I know I have to exercise or I am waisting it - it does absolutely nothing by itself, you have to kick start it. This seems to put a bit of pressure on me and, for some reason, makes me want to do the cardio less! I know it is purely mental, but the end result is what matters. When running AICAR alone I found I also did less cardio, probably because I know it works even if I do NOT exercise...again, purely mental in nature. But running both together, I know I can exercise or not and I still get benefits. With there being no pressure to do it, I found I enjoy doing it more. Go team Cybr! LOL

I will update this log again in another week or so to say if I notice any more improvement in my endurance or what not. Stay Tuned!

 

[TRUEGRIT]

HAH! You all thought I forgot about this log, didn't you? Well, you are WRONG!

I finally got around to getting my new bottle of AICAR from SarmsSearch and still have my bottle of GW50, so I will be logging running them both at the same time. I have actually been doing so for a week now. I noticed it takes me about a week for the products to kick in. Many people feel them immediately, and I am slightly jealous of those people, but the way I look at it, it just means I will feel it after I stop longer than they will too. Or at least I tell myself this.


Anyway, I have found that my endurance is definitely better when running both AICAR and GW50 than if I ran either one separately. I also found I am actually more motivated to do my cardio when running both than when running either one separately. When running GW50 I know I have to exercise or I am waisting it - it does absolutely nothing by itself, you have to kick start it. This seems to put a bit of pressure on me and, for some reason, makes me want to do the cardio less! I know it is purely mental, but the end result is what matters. When running AICAR alone I found I also did less cardio, probably because I know it works even if I do NOT exercise...again, purely mental in nature. But running both together, I know I can exercise or not and I still get benefits. With there being no pressure to do it, I found I enjoy doing it more. Go team Cybr! LOL

I will update this log again in another week or so to say if I notice any more improvement in my endurance or what not. Stay Tuned!

Awesome info bro! It takes me about a week to really feel them kick in too...but I think that's normal for most. Can't wait to hear more updates!

 

[cybrsage]

Not quite a week, but I still have not lost the desire to hit the gym and do my 40 minute cardio session (avg 145bpm heart rate and slightly over 500cals burned) and then do my normal work out. Loving the combo of the two!

 

[cybrsage]

As a final footnote to this log, I will recap and give my personal conclusion.

If you are low on funds and have the motivation to actually work out regularly, go with GW50 alone. It really does give extra endurance. I could not FEEL the extra endurance until after I started to work out, then I noticed it pretty predominantly. As an example, I always HATED cardio with a passion, but I did it because 3J said I had to...and basic logic agrees with him. 20 mins of 135bpm was torture. While using GW50, I found I could do 40 mins of 145bpm and at the end I was not a walking zombie - I could go on to do my normal workout! Yes, I know my cardiovascular system improved by me doing the workout, so some of the improvement is due to that, but I am sure the GW50 helped greatly. WADA agrees and has banned it.

If you are low on funds and are not motivated to work out every day, go with AICAR alone. AICAR is created naturally by the body when you work out, telling the body it needs to build muscle cells, and all the other amazing things it does when you work out. If you add some without working out, the body will still think it HAS worked out! It will go through changes as if you did work out, improving everything along the way. You will see MORE benefits if you do work out, but it is not required (unlike GW50). It did not give me nearly as much extra endurance as GW50 gave me, but it did give me some. Since the body thinks it is doing work, it changes its energy usage to maximize energy flow to muscles, etc. You do get a better work out with AICAR than without it. You definitely get a better non-workout with AICAR than without it.

If you have the funds, go with a GW50 and AICAR stack. You will get that large increase in endurance AND your body will be shifted into muscle use mode faster, getting the best of both worlds. Some people like to run the combo stack at 10mg each (which means the bottles last twice as long), but I ran them both at 20mg since that is the recommendation if you are taking them individually. I know I work better at higher SARMs doses than most people, so I did not want to gimp myself on purpose. I would recommend trying the stack at 10mg each first for two weeks and then up them to see if it improves things...if not, drop them back down. Why spend money you do not need to spend, right?


IN CONCLUSION
I would highly recommend a GW50 and AICAR stack to improve endurance and recovery time from exercising. You will even see improvements on the days you do not actually work out.
Of the two competing SARMS (ok, they are both actually agonists and not SARMs, but I why muddy the waters, eh?), I far prefer GW50 for its large increase in my endurance and recovery time from exercising.


My GW50 bottle is empty and my AICAR bottle is very close to being empty...thus ends the log.

 

[JimiThing]

I wish i got that result from gw & aicar. I read a lot of experiences similar to your but for me even the 2 stacked just didnt do much at all. Darn!