Another...First Timer : ) lol

[Jonnyboy3]

First cycle proviron, sus, deca.

Hi guy's

Right so I know there is ton's of advice on first cycles and I have over the last year read alot of them. However if any of you wouldn't mind dispensing further advice It would be greatly appreciated

Right, so i'm new to this in the sense that this will be my first cycle. However I am 27 years old and been training since 16, but REALLY training for say the last 3 years. I have concetrated in the disciplines of powerlifting, but now have more interest in getting the perfect physique.

I am currently 5ft 11" and weigh in at 225 lb, Now I aint lean and teater arround the 13% body fat marker. During bulking I usually consume 5500 cals, 300g protein and 900 grams carbs.

Right for my first cycle i waana run sust, I understand alot of u will say do JUST test for my first cycle. Fair, u guys know best. But....

I also want to run proviron at 75 mg a day throughout to prevent any of the nasties, I would then presumably run this right the way through post cycle therapy (pct)? Which would consist of Nolva. Or am I being over the top here? I hear that the provy does have some good hardening effects too?

Right, secondly (and alot of you may argue against) would it be the end of the world if I stacked 500 ml of deca aswel?

Say for the first 10 weeks:

Sust 800 a week (200 mon,wed,,fri,sat)
deca 500 a week (in 2 hits?)
provi 75 mg a day

Then week 10 to week 13

sust 800 a week
provi 75 a day

week 13 to 16

provi 75 a day

week 16 to 19

provi
Nolva


One of my biggest concerns with deca is of course loss of libido, but wouldn't the proviron help here also?

And lastly, would my current bulking diet be surfice and... how long after completing my cycle (inc pct) would I have to wait before starting a cutting cycle?

Sorry I know there's alot of questions, but honestly I haven't been ignorant and just asked them before reading all that I can first. Any help would be much appreciated

Cheers

 

[river]

Why would you want to throw a bunch of things into your first cycle without knowing the effects that just test has on you? Adding compounds will only keep you confused and trying to play "catch up" if something was to happen ie. the nasties you mentioned above. Just curious

 

[Jonnyboy3]

yeah it's a fair question, well I believe the provi acts as more of a safety blanket against sum of the sides to running just Sustanon (sust) (is that what u were referning to when mention test? or was u recomending scrapping the Sustanon (sust) for a singular test esther?) I get what ur saying tho, prob cut the deca? But u think it would be better to run the sust/test without the provi too? cheers

 

[Jonnyboy3]

In defending my cycle though, I take the following quote from the "Newbie info" forum, which is recommended to be read before posting potential first cycles :

Its become a common thing that many vets here suggest a test only first cycle. Thats fine. I'm sure you'll get some good gains from it. I myself like a little more in the mix. Like I said test only is fine if you want to stop there.

The most coming thing to ad is deca. Yes its mild on the sides. Yes you get good gains. However, if you do chose deca it will mean that an anti estrogen alone will not prevent gyno 100%. Another substance such as bromo will be needed in case of progesterone related gyno. For this reason alone I suggest eq (Equipoise). The gains are not quit as big but you will keep more of them and that sounds like a good trade off to me.

I switched equipose for proviron though as thought it may be beneficial in preventing sides from both Sustanon (sust) and deca

 

[imdennis]

first timer, ima have to go with just test, i know its not what you want to hear but its best option, side effects aren't bad either

 

[river]

Have to agree with imdennis. What if you had some ill side effects from something and don't realize what it was from? You'd only be chasing your tail trying to get it dialed in. You may waste 3 weeks of your cycle trying to figure it out and on top of that wasted all that gear. Just a thought.

 

[Truushot]

Original poster you are not running the deca near long enough. You don't need 800 of test either.

Run it like this...

Run the test 500 mg per week for like 18 weeks.

run the deca for 16 weeks 500 mg per week. Deca will not mess with your libido if you take test. Deca dick was invented by a bunch of deca only people or people with bunk test.

I am running 500 deca 500 test right now and I would screw my lizards if I couldn't get my wife to give me any. If you are sure your test is good don't worry about the deca. The sides with deca are nil too. It is actually very mild from the standpoint of putting stress on the HTPA axis.

10 weeks on deca is a waste. 800 on test is overkill. Longer cycles with less compounds yield much better results.

PEOPLE NEED TO REMEMBER THIS...there is no linear relationship between taking more juice and GETTING MORE GAINS.

It is more of a "J" shaped schedule that will have the sides go up disproportionately versus the amount of gains.

In plain English this means the sides go up much faster than the gains.

Also people need to remember that you have to give your body ample time to get used to carrying the gains. Trust me your body doesn't want them. It wants to shed the weight you gain. You need to program it to understand that this "is it's new bod now so fucking deal with it"

 

[xato]

800mg of test on your first cycle? + deca? some experienced users don't even take these dose

 

[airagee23]

Test only

 

[unknown21]

Wow dude lol You need to do way more research your not even close to being ready yet. Test only for your first cycle!

 

[Jonnyboy3]

Original poster you are not running the deca near long enough. You don't need 800 of test either.

Run it like this...

Run the test 500 mg per week for like 18 weeks.

run the deca for 16 weeks 500 mg per week. Deca will not mess with your libido if you take test. Deca dick was invented by a bunch of deca only people or people with bunk test.

I am running 500 deca 500 test right now and I would screw my lizards if I couldn't get my wife to give me any. If you are sure your test is good don't worry about the deca. The sides with deca are nil too. It is actually very mild from the standpoint of putting stress on the HTPA axis.

10 weeks on deca is a waste. 800 on test is overkill. Longer cycles with less compounds yield much better results.

PEOPLE NEED TO REMEMBER THIS...there is no linear relationship between taking more juice and GETTING MORE GAINS.

It is more of a "J" shaped schedule that will have the sides go up disproportionately versus the amount of gains.

In plain English this means the sides go up much faster than the gains.

Also people need to remember that you have to give your body ample time to get used to carrying the gains. Trust me your body doesn't want them. It wants to shed the weight you gain. You need to program it to understand that this "is it's new bod now so fucking deal with it"

Thankyou Truushot for ur concise and informative reply This look s good to me, u think Sustanon (sust) is good to use as test? And if ya don't mind do u have any views on the proviron? U say that as long as i'm runnin test properly no problems with deca tho ; ) think i may be worryin too much ya know. Cheers

 

[Jonnyboy3]

And cheers to everyone for ur advice, I do appreciate the point ur making about just running test first, and this is something I will consider. Just wanna weigh up my possible options. has anyone had experience of runnin sus and decca as a first cycle? Also does any1 have any info on runnin proviron?

 

[Nightmare007]

Run test alone period!
Test e 600mg/week 12 weeks
Aromasin 12.5mg ed 14 weeks
hcg 500 iu every 4 days
Hcg 1000 iu ed 10 days before pct
Pct
23 days after last pin of test
Clomid 50/50/50/50
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20

 

[Jonnyboy3]

Run test alone period!
Test e 600mg/week 12 weeks
Aromasin 12.5mg ed 14 weeks
hcg 500 iu every 4 days
Hcg 1000 iu ed 10 days before pct
Pct
23 days after last pin of test
Clomid 50/50/50/50
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20

Nice one You know what, that seems to be the general oppinion, and at the end of the day u guys do know best as have experience.

So (begrugingly lol), I will just run test alone for my first cyclle. To be honest i know this makes sense.

Thanks alot everyone

 

[Jonnyboy3]

first timer, ima have to go with just test, i know its not what you want to hear but its best option, side effects aren't bad either

Yeah cheers man, not what I wanna hear...but ur right, I suppose it is the only way to do this properly

 

[buffg]

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...uide-your-first-cycle-detailed-explained.html

This.

 

[Jonnyboy3]

Run test alone period!
Test e 600mg/week 12 weeks
Aromasin 12.5mg ed 14 weeks
hcg 500 iu every 4 days
Hcg 1000 iu ed 10 days before pct
Pct
23 days after last pin of test
Clomid 50/50/50/50
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20

One last thing: can I check, are we talking about pure test suspension?

 

[Jonnyboy3]

steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/640387-noob-guide-your-first-cycle-detailed-explained.html

This.

Funnily enough just finished reading that, sorry had a look around at other first time cycle threads, but shoulda read that first ! lol Can u confirm if the test u refer too is pure test suspension, cos it sais that it don't stay in the body longer than a day so was wondering why wait so long for pct/ or was it a longer acting test esther ur refering too? cheers

 

[buffg]

One last thing: can I check, are we talking about pure test suspension?

nooo, long(er) esther like enth or cyp.

Edit: just for a complete answer, suspension doesnt have an esther, its in water and has a very short life

 

[Jonnyboy3]

nooo, long(er) esther like enth or cyp.

Edit: just for a complete answer, suspension doesnt have an esther, its in water and has a very short life

Or Sustanon (sust) possibly ? It's just I have a readily available supply