Another Gyno question

DeadnBloated

DeadnBloated

NPC Bodybuilder
I'm 9 out of 12 weeks in to my bulk cycle and then starting my 12 week cutting cycle right after. I have a show this July.

I'm currently on 750 mg of Sustanon (sust) 250 a week. (I just finished tren E at 400mg a week) My body doesn't seem to be responding to any letro (2.5mg ED) The glands are hard and the size of a grape now...with some added fat and water retention, it looks pretty bad.

I'm contemplating have gyno surgery as soon as possible. Has anyone had surgery during a cycle and continued AAS right after the surgery? Would I have enough time to recuperate before my competition? Or should I wait until after the show and post cycle therapy (pct) to go under the knife?
 
what brand letro are you taking and how long have you been taking it?

tried any other meds and how long have you had the gyno?
 
letro is Geneza Pharm from RXhealth. Started about 2 weeks ago. I also finished up my tren E cycle 2 weeks ago, so I believe its safe to start nolvadex now. I've also taken aromosin and a-dex. I think I'm at the point of no return. They may shrink during my cutting, but they'll always flare back up and I'm sick of dealing with it. I'm just wondering about the best timing for surgery.
 
attach a picture of how bad the gyno is, that would help. you are going to be told not to do any exercises that involve your pectorals or activities that would strain them for a number of weeks. wouldnt recommend continuing the cycle but thats my .2 cents.

BTW, you said you were on Tren, have you ever used anything specifically for progesterone related gyno? i.e., cabergoline, bromo, prami, etc?
 
One more thing, just to be realistic.

Basically if you were to schedule a consultation now about your gyno, it's going to set you back a couple weeks. From that day they will set you back a couple more weeks to a month before they can get you in, realistically. So if it's nearly April now you'll be around or in May before the surgery. After which it's going to be recommended HIGHLY that you do not train for about a month. If you do not heed this advice and don't heal well from the surgery, well, your scarring might look worse and to me that's wasting thousands of dollars anyway. So by that time you'd be in June, with a month to scramble to get ready for the show. Overall, I'd wait til after the show if you COULD, but if you had a picture of what your gyno looked like that would probably help just so we could see how mild or bad it actually is. Sorry for the long post.
 
Pic is attached. In the mornings, it's not too bad and doesn't look like I have it. When I get bloated, it really comes out. Yeah, I think I'll wait until after the show. I just hope it doesn't show on stage.
 
mate i would wait till after the show, even if you had the surgery in the next couple of days you may not recover in time for it not to be noticed on stage. I had my surgey both sides 4weeks ago and recovered physically really quick, back doing chest after 1week, back to heavy after 2weeks. However although in the 1st week everything looked great, scar tissue has developed now exactly where my lumps were and my chest looks pretty much the same it did before the opp. This is apparantly very common and can take up too even six months to break it down. It is gradually getting smaller with some vigorous massage and heat but will prob take about another 2months before im happy. hope this helps?...
 
DeadnBloated said:
letro is Geneza Pharm from RXhealth. Started about 2 weeks ago. I also finished up my tren E cycle 2 weeks ago, so I believe its safe to start nolvadex now. I've also taken aromosin and a-dex. I think I'm at the point of no return. They may shrink during my cutting, but they'll always flare back up and I'm sick of dealing with it. I'm just wondering about the best timing for surgery.
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no, its not "safe" to take tamoxifen now. actually in the after period the impact can be as bad or worse. FOR MONTHS AFTER.
 
reccomend adding either pramipexole or cabergoline. you can stick with letrozole, as long as its not causing E suppression issues, when it does switch to exemestane.

pramipexole @ researchstop
cabergoline @ aurapharm
 
btw- running Aromatase inhibitor (AI) + dopaminergic during cutting can yield full regression, though it may take longer than your cut (depends on extent of ductal network, hard tissue, surrounding adipose tissue and response-- as well as compounds or other drugs being used-- ie extacy not good for gyno, alcohol bad, most "head meds" bad- serotonergics in particular-- though SSRI's should be mostly if not entirely offset by dopaminergics)
 
macro said:
btw- running Aromatase inhibitor (AI) + dopaminergic during cutting can yield full regression, though it may take longer than your cut (depends on extent of ductal network, hard tissue, surrounding adipose tissue and response-- as well as compounds or other drugs being used-- ie extacy not good for gyno, alcohol bad, most "head meds" bad- serotonergics in particular-- though SSRI's should be mostly if not entirely offset by dopaminergics)
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what did you just say? *looks for the dictionary* :D
 
when your nips get cold does it look normal? or are they shrunk in the pic? just curious, cause mine look alot like yours but look normal when cold.
 
Get the surgery, make sure you heal up and try for the next show. Your gyno will still show up even when you cut up. That is not from fat, it is your gland which will stay there until removed. I had the surgery years ago. Changed my life, looks awsome now. Ready to start my first cycle after 10 years, but make sure I have the right gear for gyno, pct, etc.
 
Pic is nips being "flared." It shrinks all the way down when its cold and looks flat and normal...it has a mind of its own... Some days it feels like it's gone completely, and the next day they're puffed out like a marshmallow.

I think it's mostly from the tren E I was on..I did 8 weeks of it at 400-500mg a week (highest 600) I never took any anti-prolactins for it, which was my mistake. I just ordered some Pramipexole and I'm going to stay on the letro...I'll see what happens. Sooner or later, I'm gonna need the surgery. Controlling gyno is a headache.
 
sms8668 said:
Get the surgery, make sure you heal up and try for the next show. Your gyno will still show up even when you cut up. That is not from fat, it is your gland which will stay there until removed. I had the surgery years ago. Changed my life, looks awsome now. Ready to start my first cycle after 10 years, but make sure I have the right gear for gyno, pct, etc.
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this is incorrect - you can regress the gland and induce apoptosis in ductal tissue to the point of nullity. Ever seen pancake flat breasts in national geographic... those used to be full functioning breasts with lots of supporting breast tissue (so even if they hung, they were full). Hormonal deprivation caused apoptosis of the tissue and helped to catabolize both glandular and adipose tissue. Concept of chemical regression is similar. if it were not for high level environmental estrogen exposure as well as quite often estrogen therapy, women here would be the same.

and even with removal, subsequent steroid use can cause new gyno (particularly in older individuals, and those with high levels of ductal expansion (they dont remove all the tissue anyways- as this will often leave a "dent"-- and its quite difficult to remove any significant ductal development without massacring the pectoral)

this is why you will see pro bb'rs with a wierd ass gyno lump off the side of the pec or above or below the nipple (have even seen one formed almost within the pectoral separation)

still is baffling why people wont at least run a low dose Aromatase inhibitor (AI) (to cut long term estrogen exposure)... even the people that believe they need E to grow- which is highly debateable- (they cant believe they need that much)
 
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