Anything OTC I can take to get rid of gyno??

[jjtattoofreak]

believe it or not both u dudes r making valid points and u can both go on forever citing studies and references and it will never stop.

concill i doubt newbs was portraying as if he typed all that in 5 minutes... i think it's a given that's its researched.

i put my money saying newbs is far from being a retard dude, he's even schooled me on quite a few occasions

lets drop the topic and focus on the guy wearing the mc hammer pants....

^^ hammer time

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

the bottom line conciliator-and after this im done arguing with you over shit that didnt even start this debate-STOP trying to change the subject.

the bottomline is this

you were trying to call out JMC saying his recommendation was not useful.

you said using only NOLVA for post cycle therapy (pct) is sufficent.

I said thats bullshit-you need an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) as well. for the main reason that NOLVA has a rebound.

I am correct, as i believe i have proved. I was not trying to say what will work and what will not work-i was stating the the use of Aromatase inhibitor (AI) is just as important-if not more than the use of NOLVA, and I am right-you trying to argue that just makes you look pathetic and irrational.

I dont have to look at a study for this-i have seen it first hand. My roomate use to dawg my Aromasin use until he stopped his drol-and his tits were hurting-and he had small lumps under the breast. he took the aromasin @ 12.5mg ED for a week then dropped it and continued his cycle. If he would have used NOLVA who knows if it would have rebounded or not. but Nolva is known for estro rebound.

and no i didnt read your study-dont need to-i know what an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) does and that there is limited info on them especially aromasin. like i stated earlier they work-with no rebound usually.

here let me quote the whole thing-so it is obvious i was reffering to my friend having gyno

PS his drol was a jumpstart

 

[Scarz]

concill chill out with the flaming bro

 

[jjtattoofreak]

QUOTE=newbie23;2147707]here let me quote the whole thing-so it is obvious i was reffering to my friend having gyno[/QUOTE]

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

They're selective anti-estrogens and can definitely be used to treat gyno (particularly nolva and raloxifene).

For example,
The role of tamoxifen in the management of gynaeco... [Breast. 2006] - PubMed result
Beneficial effects of raloxifene and tamoxifen in ... [J Pediatr. 2004] - PubMed result
Tamoxifen treatment for pubertal gynecomastia. [Int J Adolesc Med Health. 2003 Oct-Dec] - PubMed result

this is what started this-dont get it twisted-i started this all off by saying you were misleading about the fact that using a SERM only for gyno is sufficent.

 

[Conciliator]

concill i doubt newbs was portraying as if he typed all that in 5 minutes...

No kidding. Which is why I called it a "cut-and-paste" here.

i think it's a given that's its researched.

People post things (and write guides) that are unreferenced opinion. It happens all the time. Of course it's not a given that some random write-up is all based on references.

i put my money saying newbs is far from being a retard dude, he's even schooled me on quite a few occasions

It doesn't get much more retarded than this.

lets drop the topic and focus on the guy wearing the mc hammer pants....[/QUOTE]

 

[pattaya man]

Im not gona dispute anything that's been said on this thread. But in my experience if you've got gyno, then get Letrozole, its the only thing

 

[Conciliator]

this is what started this-dont get it twisted-i started this all off by saying you were misleading about the fact that using a SERM only for gyno is sufficent.

More backpedaling. That post wasn't in response to JMC, was it? In fact, I haven't even responded to or said anything to JMC in this entire thread. Yet you're now trying to argue that it was not the post cycle therapy (pct) thread, but this thread, where I was "trying to call out JMC saying his recommendation was not useful." Nice second attempt at backpedaling.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

and FYI-there are a lot of people out there that think aromasin is beneficial during PCT-it can help increase LH-and control estrogen. but i would never say it is a must.

 

[Conciliator]

but i would never say it is a must.

You already did. But go ahead and restate it for a third attempt at backpedaling.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

More backpedaling. That post wasn't in response to JMC, was it? In fact, I haven't even responded to or said anything to JMC in this entire thread. Yet you're now trying to argue that it was not the PCT thread, but this thread, where I was "trying to call out JMC saying his recommendation was not useful." Nice second attempt at backpedaling.

you were incinuating that JMC's rec of 25 mg ED would not cure his gyno-and that NOLVA is needed. if you want to back pedal and say i took your post out of context-so be it

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

typo-and you know it-i win-you lose-regardless of any valid points you made

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

you are right conciliator-but your leaving out a very important part to gyno treatment-which is the AI-which slows the conversion of testosterone to estrogen-in turn lowering the amount of estrogen in your body-which would be the most important part of solving a gyno issue for the long-term.

these newbies need to know if you use nolva only for gyno-there is a possibility that once you stop the nolva-the gyno could come back much quicker and stronger.

my very first post

i rest my case your honor

 

[jjtattoofreak]

typo-and you know it-i win-you lose-regardless of any valid points you made

 

[Scarz]

read the forum rules. no back pedalling allowed. that stuff's for the circus.

 

[Biggin]

read the forum rules. no back pedalling allowed. that stuff's for the circus.

No shit!!

 

[Crusader]

The way this thread is going it sounds like some of you need some Midol.

 

[Conciliator]

you were incinuating that JMC's rec of 25 mg ED would not cure his gyno-and that NOLVA is needed.

What the hell are you talking about? I have no problem with JMC's recommendation and nothing in this thread suggests that. Unlike you saying that an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) is needed during post cycle therapy (pct), I've never said that nolva is needed to treat gyno. Your gross misrepresentation of my position is pathetic.

Look back over this thread. I said nolva definitely can be used alone. And what I insinuated was that an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) can be used alone as well. As I said earlier in this thread:

"Why would you take nolva throughout a cycle? To prevent gyno. The same reason you might take an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) throughout a cycle."

"It's not clear that reducing estrogen levels is a better choice than selectively reducing estrogen signaling in. Both reduce estrogenic action in breast tissue."

"This is misleading. Nolva doesn't just "block the symptoms" of gyno. It actually treats gyno by reducing estrogenic signaling. Lowering the concentration of estrogen has the same effect, just though a different mechanism of action."

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

you started this debate


my first post says it all-i was simply stating you need an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) as well with nolva for gyno.

but since you like to argue you started doing your little argument about NOVLA

when the people around know i always say its there choice NOLVA or CLOMID for PCT.

although i use CLOMID.

 

[Scarz]

The way this thread is going it sounds like some of you need some Midol.

I know a lot of shyt... but midol i just learned now. Why and how u know the usage of Midol... i won't even ask.

the better question would be is why ure taking it to the heart and becoming offensive. that only occurs when ure wrong or out of words to say. it's best not to say anything and leave it alone from this point on.

some of us here know a lot of stuff when it comes to juice. unfortunately we don't know the simplest thing which is knowing when to stop.