Baby time - testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) post cycle therapy (pct) help - Wife not happy

[pbarby]

Baby time - TRT PCT help - Wife not happy

Wife upset that her assumption that my testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) was causing low sperm count was accurate: 8.7 mil sperm count, 73% mobility, 9% normal looking. Nurse kept referenceing it as a 'little low'. Regardless, my wife wants me back to normal asap and is freaking out.
I've been on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) (Test Cyp) for 1.45 years. First 1 years on 200 ml/mg every 3 weeks, next 3 months 100ml/mg a week, then finally 200ml/mg a week in last few months. Before I stop pinning, I wanted to accomplish 2 things; 1) get a lot of good advise and 2)see my doc. My doc is great, however, I don't see him having A LOT of experience with coming off testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and want to have questions/suggestions for him.

I'm 36 years old, 193 lbs, 12% BF, and on week 6 of a killer 3j workout and carb cycling diet plan. I'm, on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for low test levels (783 as of 9/2012 while on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), 732 as of 6/2011 no trt). Low test may have been caused by un-decended testicle (operated to normal when 9 years old), two periods of 3-4 months worth of stress/anxiety medications (2007, 2010) which is when i noticed serious decreases in my performance. Never came back full strength after the second time (diff med) and went on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) shortly thereafter.
I hear hints here and there that Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) boosts the testies and gets them back to normal levels. It would be great if it could bring back my normal levels before the meds and would like to ask my doc to give it a try. I hear clomid is another option and cheaper than HCG. However, I'm interested in obtaining opions, including dosing, on both...please.
Again, the main goal is to get my sperm levels to normal asap so my wife and I can start being comfortable with eachother again.
Thanks!

 

[Mr P]

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[pbarby]

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I have, thanks. Tt Todd last week, before my sperm count was in. I like everything he had to say and offer...the proper/safe way to testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). They are someone I plan on going w once I'm back to normal and wife is prego into 2nd trimester.

Any info on how much Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and/or Clomid I should try to get my sperm count up is appreciated.

 

[TarheelWill]

Wait, you had a TT of 732 before starting TRT?? That's a typo right? If not, your wife definitely has a right to be mad bc somebody gave you bad advice. Whatever the problem was, it wasn't Low Test.

 

[pbarby]

Wait, you had a TT of 732 before starting TRT?? That's a typo right? If not, your wife definitely has a right to be mad bc somebody gave you bad advice. Whatever the problem was, it wasn't Low Test.

You may be right. I had all the symptoms and history of low t. I was put on it and felt normal.After much research, I "think" I suffered.from receptor shut down. Regardless, need to make my wife happy and get sperm count back up. My plan is to get proper/safe dosage of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and maybe Clomid to quickly get off test and inc sperm. Once there and wife prego, will definitely get more blood tests and go w testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) specialist like imt to get proper help with my symptoms "if" they persist. Cost right now is a little bit of an issue, so going to be searching sources for source checks after running a plan through my doc (hcg at a typical pharm is outrageously expensive)! Please provide some suggestion on dosage and timing and when/if to incorporate Clomid.

I.see there is.a lot of info out ghee already. I feel my situation is a little more unique...sorry if its not and I'm re-asking a question already covered multiple times. Thanks again ology!

 

[juced_porkchop]

700+ is NOT low T and your doc must be a dumb ass (no offence) i mean if you said 300 or 400 maybe... maybe if you wanted higher. but over 600? I think there may be something else going on (could be wrong)
I would rec getting off Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT). running clomid (will raise chance of kids also) and go for blood tests a few months after Clomid started.
also you should know free test and SHBG levels NOT just test levels.
in your case i would rec longer pct because Clomi will raise change of conception.

I would rec stop this miss-guided testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and do the following:
*wait 1-2 weeks after last shot*
wk1-8 50mg clomid ed
wk14 - Go for blood work

*add Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 4-5 weeks before this at 500iu 2X a week if you think it may help.*

if after blood work SHBG, test, free test thyroid levels and the rest are fine, I would look in other areas.
also make your you find a new doc and DONT go to anti-aging clinic's, they want your buck for the most part and may give you hrt whether or not you need it... some doc's can be like this also so you have to keep going back ($).

I wish you the best

 

[juced_porkchop]

You may be right. I had all the symptoms and history of low t. I was put on it and felt normal.After much research, I "think" I suffered.from receptor shut down. Regardless, need to make my wife happy and get sperm count back up. My plan is to get proper/safe dosage of hcg and maybe Clomid to quickly get off test and inc sperm. Once there and wife prego, will definitely get more blood tests and go w testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) specialist like imt to get proper help with my symptoms "if" they persist. Cost right now is a little bit of an issue, so going to be searching sources for source checks after running a plan through my doc (hcg at a typical pharm is outrageously expensive)! Please provide some suggestion on dosage and timing and when/if to incorporate Clomid.

I.see there is.a lot of info out ghee already. I feel my situation is a little more unique...sorry if its not and I'm re-asking a question already covered multiple times. Thanks again ology!

you would be surprised what your mind can do. just believing you should be feeling better and thinking you are for some is enough, JUST from the change of out look... *placebo*

good luck

 

[IMT staff]

We just set someone up with a really strong HPTA normalization program and I am excited to see there results. We have had a few other guys take it on and had a huge success.

The protocol includes

HCG
AI
Clomid
GHRH/GHRP combo

I really think the peptides make a huge difference when trying to recover, the endogenous GH secretion will stimulate TT but more importantly it will help ease the pain and maybe even allow for some gains in the gym while attempting normalization.

The most important part of the recovery process is getting tested while on HCG to see if you have fully sensitized the testicles, preparing them for endogenous LH and FSH reception.

 

[tommyguns232]

So essentially a basic, newer Dr Scally restart plan. One he recently posted on another forum.
Ahh wait he is against Aromatase inhibitor (AI) use. I stand corrected.

 

[IMT staff]

So essentially a basic, newer Dr Scally restart plan. One he recently posted on another forum.
Ahh wait he is against Aromatase inhibitor (AI) use. I stand corrected.

You are correct though, the basics are def derived from him. We like his protocol since it is tried and true.

I did not think he suggested the peptides either, but either way.

 

[shithead]

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/testosterone-replacement-therapy/618678-26-low-t.html#post2989664