beastdrol

[Steroidologist]

so im heavily thinking into picking up some beastdrol, may just do it incase i can no longer get it even if i dont take it right away.

should i buy this stuff alone? versus theyre beastdrol starter stack.

i have a bunch of 50mg clomid pills, would that be better versus their post cycle? what would be the ideal dosage for clomid after?

i know taking with test would be optimal, but if i do take it, i may end up taking it alone. has anyone done this?

what kind of results can i expect with taking it alone?

would milk thistle pills be enough for a 4 week cycle? or would the forged liver support be necessary?

i know the website lists a bunch of different possible side, what have u guys experienced with it?

if i do stack it with test, would winstrol perhaps be a better substitute for some clean gains? or maybe in finaplix pellets, as i can obtain those, but unconverted.

is there a better PH on the site, that won't convert, and might be easier with sides?

thanks bros

 

[Steroidologist]

Maybe katanadrol? anyone have any experiences with that?

 

[Duke30]

Run havoc instead.It could be better than Beastdrol.I'm getting a bottle.

2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol is Havoc's active ingredient,an analog of an aromatase inhibitor used safely in Japan for decades.Research shows that Havoc is not only 15 times more myotrophic than Halodrol-50 and 20x more myotrophic than ProMagnon, but has an incredible myotrophic ratio of 12, whereas Halodrol-50 has a myotrophic ratio of 2.6 and Pro-Magnon a ratio of only 1.1.

Some users don't even use PCT.They keep all their gains.Get it before they run out.It's being DISCONTINUED by some places.Maybe because it works! You can look it up.

Havoc is far less likely to induce undesirable, androgenic mediated-type side effects such as acne hair, etc.

Its 91/1220 Androgenic/Anabolic

Superdrol is 20/400
Dianabol 40/60 or 90/210 some versions
Testosterone 100/100

 

[dylangemelli]

while i agree that havok will have less sides than beast, there is no way that it comes close to producing the gains that beast does... you can run it as a stand alone, although, i would use transaderm with it as well... clomid is fine for your post cycle therapy (pct) as well... you will definitely need a cycle support, i would use n2guard, alongside the beast... i would use a serm (your clomid) and unleashed in post cycle therapy (pct), because the beast will shut you down... you will see huge gains on the beast...

 

[BigKevKris]

^Dylan is spot on...listen to the man

 

[gymrat827]

while i agree that havok will have less sides than beast, there is no way that it comes close to producing the gains that beast does... you can run it as a stand alone, although, i would use transaderm with it as well... clomid is fine for your post cycle therapy (pct) as well... you will definitely need a cycle support, i would use n2guard, alongside the beast... i would use a serm (your clomid) and unleashed in post cycle therapy (pct), because the beast will shut you down... you will see huge gains on the beast...

x2x



cycle
beast
10/20/20/20
katan
00/350/350/350/450/450
transderm
5/5/5/5/5/5
N2Gaurd 6 caps before bed



post cycle therapy (pct)
clomid 75/50/50/25
unleashed
post cycle or forma stanzol


this 6 wk run will produce lots of gains, lean lean gains + a good amount of mass. transderm will stop all lethargy, keep libido high, keep mood positive.




GL bro

 

[Steroidologist]

where would i find havoc? a PM please.

is it the same as helladrol?

whats up with helladrol?

im really looking for an oral that has no estrogen conversion.

or thinking about a light (20mg daily max) dbol cycle. anyone know anything about how it works at a dosage lower than 50? most i speak to in person say its a waste.

can anyone answer other of my questions

thanks again

 

[07Lane40]

where would i find havoc? a PM please.
sponsors here have it, amazon, etc. its just epistane

is it the same as helladrol?
it is not. havoc is epistane

whats up with helladrol?
it is simply halodrol

im really looking for an oral that has no estrogen conversion.
none of the current PHs have direct conversion to estrogen as they will drop your test levels and they do not convert to estro themselves = typically low estro; rebound however is entirely possible with any compound

or thinking about a light (20mg daily max) dbol cycle. anyone know anything about how it works at a dosage lower than 50? most i speak to in person say its a waste.
dunno about dbol but if you're going to run it w/o a test base i'd just use a legal supp to avoid other shit.

can anyone answer other of my questions

thanks again

see above in bold.

 

[Steroidologist]

see above in bold.

thanks bro, na id be using dbol with test, just wanna see if theres a MG to run too quickstart strength and make leaner gains.

next question

helladrol vs. havoc

if u guys could list out the pros and cons and what you think is a better choice thatd be great thanks

 

[Duke30]

Helladrol is almost the Same as Halo-plex,halodrol which is like the Oral Turinabol.

Because of the 4-chloro group,halodrol has no progestational effects,it cannot interact with the aromatase enzyme,and it produces inactive 4-chloro-DHT metabolites.This makes androgenic side-effects such as hair loss,high blood pressure,acne and prostate enlargement less likely.

Because halodrol must be used at such a high dose to see noticeable effects,liver toxicity may become an issue.Therefore it is recommended to use a liver protecting supplement before and during halodrol cycles.

Helladrol is typically dosed between 50 and 100mgs for staring cycles.Typically,it is run for 4-6 weeks with 5 weeks being the suggested cycle length.Gains start to kick in around 2-3 weeks into the cycle,so it is less beneficial to run it for only 4 weeks.

A typical first cycle could look like this: 50/50/75/75/75 (or 100) with the numbers being the daily milligram dosing for each week.

The half-life of Helladrol is around 8 hours so the dose is usually split between morning and evening,roughly 8 hours apart.Taking your dose with a meal or supplement rich in calories including healthy fats is advised.


---Androgenic/Anabolic ---

Oral Turinabol is 0 / 100+
Halodrol is 0 / 100
Havoc is 91-1200

Havoc is getting harder and harder to find since it's being discontinued.Havoc is an Epistane clone though,and so far Epistane clones are still pretty easy to find.I cannot send PM since my count is still under 50...I did ordered when the company says its being discontinued and they still have some in stock.With havoc you only need a program looking like this 30/30/30/20/10 ..some do 20/20/30/30/30....You can find some still out there.RPN Havoc 90 Caps is what the bottle carries.

 

[Duke30]

About Havoc:

Being completely non-estrogenic, Havoc offers an ideal composition to maximize strength and lean mass gains, with minimal side effects such as lethargy or gyno. RPN Havoc supplement embodies the most recent in a long, distinguished line of hormonal products designed to optimize the body's ability to maximize muscular hypertrophy.

2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol is Havoc's active ingredient, an analog of an aromatase inhibitor used safely in Japan for decades. Research shows that Havoc is not only 15 times more myotrophic(increasing the weight of muscle). than Halodrol-50 and 20x more myotrophic than ProMagnon, but has an incredible myotrophic ratio of 12, whereas Halodrol-50 has a myotrophic ratio of 2.6 and Pro-Magnon a ratio of only 1.1.

Havoc is the next generation hormone to deliver the most remarkable results: lean, dry, hard, quality chiseled gains without the unwanted and undesirable side effects from the old school hormones.


RPN Havoc is discontinued, but can still be found for sale by some online supplement stores.

 

[07Lane40]

thanks bro, na id be using dbol with test, just wanna see if theres a MG to run too quickstart strength and make leaner gains.

next question

helladrol vs. havoc

if u guys could list out the pros and cons and what you think is a better choice thatd be great thanks

i've used helladrol before. its just halodrol plain and simple.

5 weeks, 50/50/50/75/75 and i blew up. strength was great. i gained 22 pounds. ate like a horse. went from 5'10 185 to 207ish by the end of the cycle. kept about 15lbs when it was all said and done after post cycle therapy (pct). i did gain a little fat but most of it was muscle.

if you're using a test base i'd go ahead and use something more powerful. lethargy should be a non-issue if you're using test.


planned on doing an epi cycle but never got around to it so theres still a couple bottles sitting in my drawer. supposed to be good stuff. from what i've seen people typically gain a little less on epi though they may retain more.

 

[Steroidologist]

alright so which one would u guys recommend?

helladrol v. beastdrol v. havoc

again looking for minimal shut down, leanest gains, no estrogen related sides. thanks

btw only other PH ive use was 1-t pills(t bombs)

 

[07Lane40]

alright so which one would u guys recommend?

helladrol v. beastdrol v. havoc

again looking for minimal shut down, leanest gains, no estrogen related sides. thanks

btw only other PH ive use was 1-t pills(t bombs)

minimial shutdown... you shouldn't feel too shut down with a test base but beast will definitely give the most sides and maybe make you feel lethargic before the test kicks in fully.

i had no noticeable sides on my hella run except *maybe* an extra pimple or two. play your pct right and estro won't be an issue during or after.

epi should be along the same lines as hella/halodrol as far as sides.


but then again all sides are dose dependent.

 

[chocolatemilk]

If you have clomid I would run beastdrol

It was my first cycle too and probably my favorite up to date

Search beastdrol in google images and you'll see before and after pics from my cycle with it

 

[Duke30]

Havoc...By far.Better growth to be had and safer.Little PCT if you want.

Beastdrol not for newbies,will shut you down.Helladrol..you need more to take then Havoc,then it becomes liver toxic then you need to supplement the program with safety gears.

Havoc is 91-1200 is Androgenic/Anabolic Ratio.It's pretty safe probably the safest out there given the reviews with a higher androgenic ratio.

When you have a zero Androgenic ratio (0)..you might not grow so much.Anabolic ratio(0-1500) is for extreme workouts to where you would burn fat and you could do twice as much workouts because it's pure anabolic without going catabolic and burning muscles.You last longer therefore filling muscles with stronger strength,better recovery.

Most aas have a little androgenic and higher Anabolic ratio.

Let me show you an example.

Andriol(Testosterone Undecanoate)100/ 100
Androderm(Testosterone)100/ 100
Androgel(Testosterone) 100/ 100
Boldabol(Boldenone Acetate) 50/100
Danocrine(Danazol)37/ 125
Deca-(Nandrolone Decanoate) 37/125
Deposterona(Testosterone Blend)100/100
Dianabol(Methandrostenolone) 40-60 or 90-210 for some.
Superdrol(Methyldrostanolone)20/ 400
Sustanon 100 & 250---100/ 100
Synovex(Testosterone Propionate & Estradiol)- 100/ 100
Test 400--------100/100
Test Enanthate/Cypionate/Propionate/Susp & Blends-100/ 100
Tren Acetate/Enanthate & Blends 500/500
Winstrol(Stanozolol)30/320
ProStanazolol 7/80
Halodrol 0/100

The list goes on and on.

But the sides of Havoc are joint pain and lower back pumps..Most fix it with taurine and Super cissus rx and low grade headaches usually fixed with magnesium tablets...throw in some fish oil too.Some other stuff that someone can chip in.

With beastdrol and helladrol..you're going to need alot more stuff to counteract with the sides.it can be done.Of course.

 

[chocolatemilk]

I wouldn't pay too much attention to AA ratios.

That data was collected on rats.

 

[Chase]

should i buy this stuff alone? versus theyre beastdrol starter stack.
--You can do it alone and be 'ok'. It will be very difficult keeping your gains though man. Although some may disagree with me, if you run it alone I would run it for about 10-20 mg ED for about 6 weeks for optimal benefits. It will shut you down after about 2 weeks although I have never personally seen bloodwork from it. Anyhow, Sides aren't bad. I had increased blood BP..
If you run it at 30mg a day for 4 weeks you will lose your gains pretty quick even with proper post cycle therapy (pct).

i have a bunch of 50mg clomid pills, would that be better versus their post cycle? what would be the ideal dosage for clomid after?
--I would probably take a clomid/nolva post cycle therapy (pct) if you are going to run it. I also have heard of delayed gyno and in fact, I get it every time about 2-3 months after cycle but I am the king of getting gyno on cycle.

i know taking with test would be optimal, but if i do take it, i may end up taking it alone. has anyone done this?
--Again man, I like beast but like any oral with significant mass gains you will lose them quickly after you stop the cycle. Interestingly enough the claim is that beastrdol or superdrol is similar to masteron which is an injectable not normally associated with 'Mass building'. For someone who hasn't done a single cycle, beast gives you some pumps and makes you feel strong as hell though

what kind of results can i expect with taking it alone?
--Depend on your diet and training. beast will give you some decent strength around week 2 and if your diet is right you will gain some lean mass. Again, if you are a big fat guy and take beast you will get a lot stronger. If you are a skinny guy with less than 12% bodyfat you will see the most visible benefits.

would milk thistle pills be enough for a 4 week cycle? or would the forged liver support be necessary?
--Cycle support by Aromatase inhibitor (AI) is pretty inclusive. Or, you can look up the ingredients by themselves and buy in bulk or Walgreens if you get a 2 for 1 deal. For me, BP was the only issue so I stopped spending my money on a bunch of crap and focused on what helped keep BP in check .

i know the website lists a bunch of different possible side, what have u guys experienced with it?
- You will feel aggression, increased strength for sure. I experienced a kind of crappy feeling all around generally speaking and it gave me an increased libido at first than a fast drop. High Blood pressure. Kind of emo going into post cycle therapy (pct)

if i do stack it with test, would winstrol perhaps be a better substitute for some clean gains? or maybe in finaplix pellets, as i can obtain those, but unconverted.
-Dang man, Winstrol (winny) VS Tren? Big difference. I would use Beastdrol to kickstart a test/whatever cycle of 12ish weeks. Problem is man is that the Beastdrol VS Dianabol debate is like coke and pepsi. My personal opinion is that with a halfway decent diet you will gain a shit ton more size strength with dianabol and feel a lot better as well. But, beastrdol is a legit product but IMO isn't as much as a mass builder. If you are low BF and have stellar diet and have a proper resistance training program you will get pretty solid.

is there a better PH on the site, that won't convert, and might be easier with sides?

 

[Duke30]

I wouldn't pay too much attention to AA ratios.

That data was collected on rats.

You're a funny guy ;-)

I would pay attention.This would be like a baseline of what a/a does.

With 0/100.... I know what it's going to do.

It is strongly recommended that one increase their workouts by twice as hard.Really hard.

That's like saying "Bring on the Cortisol!"

And that's not water weigh either.

 

[Chase]

They need to figure out a way that they can stack Tren and Beer