Best cycle for Olympic weight lifting

[leocrossfit]

Hey guys, I want to get your thoughts on what you think will be the best AAS cycle for Olympic weight lifting. Although I have been doing CrossFit all year long and lost 90 lbs, I am going to stop CrossFit and concentrate on Olympic weight lifting for the entire year of 2016, and maybe longer, at a registered USA Weight lifting gym. In January, I will be on a diet made for me by 3J and I will start my first AAS cycle ever in my life. It is a testosterone only cycle consisting of 12 weeks of 500 mg a week of Test Cypionate along with 500 IU a week of hCG and 0.25 mg EOD of Arimidex. Afterwards, I'll be on a proper PCT of Clomid and Nolvadex for 4 weeks and then I will take a break for 3 or 4 months.

Here is my question: what should I do for the second cycle? I understand that the first cycle should only be Testosterone so I can evaluate any problems that may arise but if my first cycle goes well, then what should I do for the second one? I'm not sure what other AAS would be good for Olympic weight lifting because I am not trying to be a body builder and get fucking huge...I'm gonna be in a weight class and I want to gain as much strength as I can. Also, I am only competing with myself so I don't plan on competing because if I'm on AAS and I get tested, I'm going to get caught and I will face some serious consequences.

Thanks.

 

[Megatron28]

Let's see how the first cycle goes and cross that bridge when we get to it. Input from your first cycle will help determine what would be a good second cycle. Why waste a whole bunch of time conjecturing without any real input to go off of? None of us know how you will handle the mental aspects of running a cycle.

-Will you be ready for a more complicated cycle after the first one?
-How will you deal with estrogen issues?
-Are you one of those guys that is constantly freaked out by gyno the whole time?
-Will you be able to handle the weight gain mentally after trying to lower body fat for so long?
-What about when you glycogen reserves decrease as you going into PCT and you think you are losing your GAINZ?
-Will you have learned enough during your first cycle to be able to handle a 19nor?
-Will you be willing to use a DA?
-Will you be ok with all the pinning?
-What are you going to do when you get a little PIP?
-What if you get a sterile abscess?
-How about Test Flu?
-What about if your penis stops working on cycle or during PCT?
-Can you adhere to a diet?
-Can you manage a crazy high libido?
-Will you be willing to put in the work required to get the physical benefits of a cycle?
-Will you be able to show restraint when lifting as your muscles will grow significantly faster than your connective tissue and recognize that you have very little lifting experience -- or will you be one of those guys that hurts himself?
-Will you be good about getting blood work?
-Will you take the advice of others -- you have not shown a willingness to do this previously.
-And so on...

 

[leocrossfit]

Let's see how the first cycle goes and cross that bridge when we get to it. Input from your first cycle will help determine what would be a good second cycle. Why waste a whole bunch of time conjecturing without any real input to go off of? None of us know how you will handle the mental aspects of running a cycle.

-Will you be ready for a more complicated cycle after the first one?
-How will you deal with estrogen issues?
-Are you one of those guys that is constantly freaked out by gyno the whole time?
-Will you be able to handle the weight gain mentally after trying to lower body fat for so long?
-What about when you glycogen reserves decrease as you going into PCT and you think you are losing your GAINZ?
-Will you have learned enough during your first cycle to be able to handle a 19nor?
-Will you be willing to use a DA?
-Will you be ok with all the pinning?
-What are you going to do when you get a little PIP?
-What if you get a sterile abscess?
-How about Test Flu?
-What about if your penis stops working on cycle or during PCT?
-Can you adhere to a diet?
-Can you manage a crazy high libido?
-Will you be willing to put in the work required to get the physical benefits of a cycle?
-Will you be able to show restraint when lifting as your muscles will grow significantly faster than your connective tissue and recognize that you have very little lifting experience -- or will you be one of those guys that hurts himself?
-Will you be good about getting blood work?
-Will you take the advice of others -- you have not shown a willingness to do this previously.
-And so on...

You're right...I can only answer some of those questions while I'll need to complete my first cycle to answer the other questions. Stuff like can I handle the weight gain mentally after trying to lower body fat for so long or can I adhere to a diet or can I put in the work to get the physical benefits of a cycle can already be answered. What I can't answer until I finish my first cycle is how will I deal with estrogen issues or have I learned enough during my first cycle to handle a 19nor or getting a little PIP.

I'm just planning ahead because I like to be prepared the best I can so that I can succeed in what I am trying to do. That is why I have done so much damn reading here at the forums and asking questions so that my first cycle will be effective and go smooth. I'm just trying to do the same for the second but you're right, I need to see how the first cycle goes. We'll find out in a little bit over a month.

 

[Megatron28]

Focus on the first one. Learn everything your can from that cycle and get everything you can out of it. That will be more than enough to be thinking about. You will need to keep up with training, diet and the AAS along with the mental effects. It will be a lot to take in. Keep a log and spreadsheet so you can look back and see how it goes. Take notes along the way. Then when you are done, do a postmortem on your cycle and apply what you learned to the next one. There will be things that go well and things that don't.

 

[Fred87]

Im into Olympic weightlifting too.
If you are just getting started dont worry about using anything to get stronger, you'll get stronger without AAS for a looooong time.
Its gonna take a while to learn "perfect" form on the 2 lifts and all the ausiliary work, strenghten your tendons, get used to the huge volume/frequency of work, get stronger, theres so much room of improvement.
If you throw in AAS too early you will probably fuck up. Enhanced strenght + bad form/weak tendons = snap city
There are many drugs that are used in weightlifting, the most common is surely Dianabol, then there is MethylTren, Winstrol, Nandrolone, Equipoise, various Testosterones and much much more stuff, they also use GH for recovery and god only knows what else.
Dont forget they use certain stuff mostly because its soon out of the system to come up clean on Anti-doping tests.
I would try to achieve your max potential before you start throwing in drugs.

Do your first test only cycle as you planned and focus on training/nutrition, dont rush thing, Im sure you are going to improve greatly with just that.
When you reach the point you cant progress much anymore then you can try other compounds.

 

[Megatron28]

Im into Olympic weightlifting too.
If you are just getting started dont worry about using anything to get stronger, you'll get stronger without AAS for a looooong time.
Its gonna take a while to learn "perfect" form on the 2 lifts and all the ausiliary work, strenghten your tendons, get used to the huge volume/frequency of work, get stronger, theres so much room of improvement.
If you throw in AAS too early you will probably fuck up. Enhanced strenght + bad form/weak tendons = snap city
There are many drugs that are used in weightlifting, the most common is surely Dianabol, then there is MethylTren, Winstrol, Nandrolone, Equipoise, various Testosterones and much much more stuff, they also use GH for recovery and god only knows what else.
Dont forget they use certain stuff mostly because its soon out of the system to come up clean on Anti-doping tests.
I would try to achieve your max potential before you start throwing in drugs.

Do your first test only cycle as you planned and focus on training/nutrition, dont rush thing, Im sure you are going to improve greatly with just that.
When you reach the point you cant progress much anymore then you can try other compounds.

Please heed the above advice. Especially that bolded part!

 

[luckypaul]

For your first cycle test only bro. Since it is your first, you need nothing else. Trust me, you will feel like superman by week 3-4. I suggest 12 weeks.

Be able to answer the questions Mega has asked. Dude is right on. You will find no better advice.

 

[Onzalimey]

I would agree that even without the gear learning the Olympic weightlifting you will probably see some progress. Also it does take a lot of technique so I agree to be careful with getting too strong and learning bad technique.

With that being said it would be nice if someone could answer the question he has asked about a good Olympic lifting cycle. Considering things do go well and he does do another one having the proper knowledge now to start researching or getting info would be good.

 

[Teutonic]

Test
deca
d bol

My fav for strength but OP is not ready for the potential s of massive side effect s that can occur with ALL 3 least of which is staying in ur weight class while running 3 water retaining compounds.

OP...if u jump on those 3 do NOT come back crying about being a water logged limp dicked fat kid making milk.

Ur miles and years away from that stack.

Can u dig it !!! ( Cyrus-Warrior s 1979 )

 

[leocrossfit]

Im into Olympic weightlifting too.
If you are just getting started dont worry about using anything to get stronger, you'll get stronger without AAS for a looooong time.
Its gonna take a while to learn "perfect" form on the 2 lifts and all the ausiliary work, strenghten your tendons, get used to the huge volume/frequency of work, get stronger, theres so much room of improvement.
If you throw in AAS too early you will probably fuck up. Enhanced strenght + bad form/weak tendons = snap city
There are many drugs that are used in weightlifting, the most common is surely Dianabol, then there is MethylTren, Winstrol, Nandrolone, Equipoise, various Testosterones and much much more stuff, they also use GH for recovery and god only knows what else.
Dont forget they use certain stuff mostly because its soon out of the system to come up clean on Anti-doping tests.
I would try to achieve your max potential before you start throwing in drugs.

Do your first test only cycle as you planned and focus on training/nutrition, dont rush thing, Im sure you are going to improve greatly with just that.
When you reach the point you cant progress much anymore then you can try other compounds.

I was worried about that too so that is why I am focusing on perfect technique, even if I can't lift a lot of weight. The Athlete Performance Specialist there is a CSCS and he was telling me that as a beginner to the sport of Olympic weightlifting, I am going to be taught proper and safe technique in the lifts. Only when I am able to proficiently complete both the Snatch and the Clean & Jerk will he then give me an individualized training program that he is going to specifically design according to my needs. I'm not going to try to rush things because as a natty, I have been able to increase the amount of weight I have been lifting without hurting myself.

 

[leocrossfit]

Please heed the above advice. Especially that bolded part!

Oh you betcha!!! I'm not going to be a madman and do stupid shit...I'm going to focus on my technique.

 

[leocrossfit]

For your first cycle test only bro. Since it is your first, you need nothing else. Trust me, you will feel like superman by week 3-4. I suggest 12 weeks.

Be able to answer the questions Mega has asked. Dude is right on. You will find no better advice.

That is just one of the things I have learned here at the forum...that if you are a beginner you should only do a test only cycle. I'm not deviating from that...my first cycle will be a 12 week test only cycle with a 4 week PCT. I will be keeping a log so that by the end of my first cycle I'll be able to answer the questions that Megatron has posted.

 

[leocrossfit]

I would agree that even without the gear learning the Olympic weightlifting you will probably see some progress. Also it does take a lot of technique so I agree to be careful with getting too strong and learning bad technique.

With that being said it would be nice if someone could answer the question he has asked about a good Olympic lifting cycle. Considering things do go well and he does do another one having the proper knowledge now to start researching or getting info would be good.

I agree, I need to make sure that I concentrate on my technique and make sure that I am not learning bad form. Luckily this place is legit so I am pretty sure they will teach me correct form and if I have to lift light weight, then so be it. Although I would love to lift some massive weight, it takes lots of time and work to get there so I can't rush it or otherwise I will get hurt. I can only take a step at a time and keep concentrating on my technique and lifting form.

 

[leocrossfit]

Test
deca
d bol

My fav for strength but OP is not ready for the potential s of massive side effect s that can occur with ALL 3 least of which is staying in ur weight class while running 3 water retaining compounds.

OP...if u jump on those 3 do NOT come back crying about being a water logged limp dicked fat kid making milk.

Ur miles and years away from that stack.

Can u dig it !!! ( Cyrus-Warrior s 1979 )

Another thing I have learned here at the forums is that things should only be added one at a time, so even if my first test only cycle goes well, I may just do a test only cycle the second time. If I do add something else, it will only be one other compound. I would say that right now, if the first cycle goes really well and I haven't fucked up, then I may add D bol for the first 4 to 6 weeks and do test for 12 weeks. I won't do a test, deca, and d bol cycle until I have 2 or 3 cycles under my belt. I have to know how I am going to respond to these AAS and if I do all 3 and have problems, how am I going to know which one it was?

Here is my train of thought: Let's say that I do my first test only cycle and everything goes well. Now I know I will do well with test. Let's say I do a second cycle and I add the d bol and things go ok...then I know that I did well with d bol. But then let's say that on my third cycle I add deca and things go bad. Now I know deca is bad for me and I will be able to avoid using that in any future cycles. Since I am a rookie, I will have to add only one additional AAS per cycle so I can see what is going to happen...I need to do that for my safety.

 

[Teutonic]

Here s my summation on your train of thought. U need 2 or 3 YEARS b4 ur ready for that stack son. Why ?

All those side effect are subject in intensity to each individuals own genetic s and bodies reaction to being re built, bigger, then supercharged and finally methanol or nitrous injected. If u don t build that motor equipped with the knowledge of when to intro what the thing s subject to coming s apart. The damage caused in relation to how well you know what is used to counter the whole thing going to shit.

Quit postulating and start educating yourself.
Just saying-I m gonna...I m gonna...and then I m gonna...whatever---go do something, anything.
Today started 70 ms ago. A brand new day.

Read as much as you write and u may just be able to ask some good questions and we ll walk you into the dark world w/o not being able to see the light.

 

[Fred87]

The thing is: if you aren't concerned about your physique but just your strenght, there is no reason to throw in drugs early.

Olympic weightlifters usually start training at about 13 years old, and they progress naturally for MANY years.
When their strenght gets to the point it wont improve much anymore they throw in drugs, keep in mind their form is close to perfection at this point, they can handle impressive volume of training and they are well conditioned, they know how to eat etc.

I dont know your stats and your strenght but Im pretty sure you can still improve A LOT naturally.
The best advice I can give you (and this following is the same philosophy I myself am following) is:

1. learn snatch and c&j to the point your coach will agree your form is very good, get stronger to the point you are not improving much anymore, get conditioned and keep researching about nutrition, training and AAS.

2. once you achieve this go on with your Testosterone only cycles, they can give you nice results for a while. Keep researching.

3. at this point you will be pretty damn good at lifts, pretty damn conditioned and very strong, knowledgeable about everything, you can throw in more stuff.
Lets say for example Dbol - Test, and so on. As I mentioned there are many many compounds that are useful for Wlifting, you will see what you prefer.

IMPORTANT: Be immensely careful when you'll be cycling Testosterone as you have planned, your strenght will skyrocket, you will feel badass and it will be easy to fuck up and get injured. Remember you arent just curling some dumbells; you are moving big weights from the ground to over your head using your whole body with a movement you still havent mastered.

Hope my advice will be useful, good luck on your journey

 

[leocrossfit]

The thing is: if you aren't concerned about your physique but just your strenght, there is no reason to throw in drugs early.

Olympic weightlifters usually start training at about 13 years old, and they progress naturally for MANY years.
When their strenght gets to the point it wont improve much anymore they throw in drugs, keep in mind their form is close to perfection at this point, they can handle impressive volume of training and they are well conditioned, they know how to eat etc.

I dont know your stats and your strenght but Im pretty sure you can still improve A LOT naturally.
The best advice I can give you (and this following is the same philosophy I myself am following) is:

1. learn snatch and c&j to the point your coach will agree your form is very good, get stronger to the point you are not improving much anymore, get conditioned and keep researching about nutrition, training and AAS.

2. once you achieve this go on with your Testosterone only cycles, they can give you nice results for a while. Keep researching.

3. at this point you will be pretty damn good at lifts, pretty damn conditioned and very strong, knowledgeable about everything, you can throw in more stuff.
Lets say for example Dbol - Test, and so on. As I mentioned there are many many compounds that are useful for Wlifting, you will see what you prefer.

IMPORTANT: Be immensely careful when you'll be cycling Testosterone as you have planned, your strenght will skyrocket, you will feel badass and it will be easy to fuck up and get injured. Remember you arent just curling some dumbells; you are moving big weights from the ground to over your head using your whole body with a movement you still havent mastered.

Hope my advice will be useful, good luck on your journey

Hey Fred, thanks for the advice. I've only been Olympic weight lifting since July 2012 so I haven't been doing it that long. My form is improving but I have a long way to go before I can say that my form is perfect, so I still have a lot of work to do. At this point, I am actually cool with Testosterone Cypionate cycles only...I'm not really in a hurry to add any additional compounds. I just wanted to see what other compounds I should consider in a couple of years from now. I'll also be really careful when I am lifting and cycling Testosterone so even if I see my strength skyrocket, I'll still focus on my technique...even if the weight becomes really easy to lift. I have to be smart about this so I have to focus on the important things, and lifting incredibly heavy weights are not on the top of my list...perfecting my technique is on the top.

Once again, thanks for the advice...I appreciate it.

 

[Fred87]

Hey Fred, thanks for the advice. I've only been Olympic weight lifting since July 2012 so I haven't been doing it that long. My form is improving but I have a long way to go before I can say that my form is perfect, so I still have a lot of work to do. At this point, I am actually cool with Testosterone Cypionate cycles only...I'm not really in a hurry to add any additional compounds. I just wanted to see what other compounds I should consider in a couple of years from now. I'll also be really careful when I am lifting and cycling Testosterone so even if I see my strength skyrocket, I'll still focus on my technique...even if the weight becomes really easy to lift. I have to be smart about this so I have to focus on the important things, and lifting incredibly heavy weights are not on the top of my list...perfecting my technique is on the top.

Once again, thanks for the advice...I appreciate it.

Thats the way to go!
And if you really want to check and research other compounds, the best ones and most used in the pro weightlifting scene for sure are:

- Metandienone (Dbol), hands down the most used and best one,
- Nandrolone (Deca), very very common,
- Trenbolone, used a lot aswell,
- Stanozolol (Winstrol),
- Oxandrolone (Anavar),
- Drostanolone (Masteron),

A lot of orals for sure, almost everything is taken in its shortest ester variant (methyl-testosterone, methyl- tren, for example), out of the system in a few hours to escape the anti-doping controls. You wont care about this, you can and should make safer choices.
They also use lot of stuff to cut weight like Clenbuterol, Furosemide, stimulants like Methylexanemine, HGH for recovery.. you wont need any of these either.
Im pretty sure pro athletes use a lot of designer drugs and stuff we can only dream about, but this is another story ahah

Please note that Im talking about professional athletes here, they can and will give anything to be the best.
We are just average Joes lifting for fun, I recommend keeping things as safe as possible and dont over abuse.
Also dont rely too much on drugs, they can surely give an edge but the foundation must be as solid as possible.

 

[TheNewNewGuy]

Hows that cycle going?

 

[leocrossfit]

I haven't started the testosterone cycle yet. That will happen in mid January. I need to do a couple of things before I start my cycle: get a DEXA scan done, get my diet plan from 3J, and blood work done.