Best legal fat burner on market ?
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bigben66
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ECA will speed up your metabolism, raise body temperature and heart-rate...
It's obvious that if you combine this with a calorie deficit, you will get drastic results, whereas if you just eat normally, the results will not be as obvious...
You are asking too many nit-picking questions here...
You need to decide what you want, work out a plan to get there, then supplement and cycle accordingly...
DO NOT do anything half-heartedly!
I'm sick of people who dabble and toy with things - and then 3 months later they either blame the gear/supps for not achieving the required results... There's no substitute for hard work!
bigben66
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1-3lbs...?
I lose that in a good dump!
Lol , i know that , i just like testing a lot of things .
I already made a nice cut , my best BF% was 8 , and it was really hard , really , i've always been a lil bit fatty , and only with 1 fat burner for help , no clen/roids etc , just down carbs etc.
In 4 months i went from 13% bf to 8% , so i know how hard it is , at least for some people it is really hard..
Pitbull55
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A little off topic here but still in the interest of burning fat, what is your take on fasted cardio or anyone elses for that matter? I have been reading more and more about how the muscle that can be sacrificed while performing fasted cardio is not worth the fat-burn. Also, how it doesn't really matter when you do your cardio because if you burn more fat during exercise you will burn more carbs later and vice versa.
This is coming from a guy that has been doing fasted cardio for years but (very recently) I have been experimenting with drinking amino-acids about 20-30 minutes before I go, so right when I wake up. Therefore, I'm performing my cardio in a semi-fasted state.
Just looking for opinion, as there seems to be no clear preference in the research but rather a "what works best for you" mentality.
bigben66
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PitBull... I totally agree with that approach....
Years ago, when I was doing fasted cardio 4-5 days a week (and I mean totally fasted!) - I lost weight fast, but I have no doubt that I lost hard earned muscle as well as fat... not ideal!
My approach now is to only do semi-fasted cardio 2-3 times a week... I take a whey protein shake as soon as I wake... my drive to the gym is about 40mins - then approx 30mins high intensity CV or HIIT rather than the old 1hr low-intensity cardio - this way I am burning calories for longer....
I'll then shower, change and make my oats... the 1st carbs of the day.
It definitely seems to work for me this way and I feel that I keep my muscle better... if I need to do any extra cardio - I'll tag it on after a weights workout later in the day.
I know everyone is different - but I find this approach works for me...
Pitbull55
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Interesting to see another similar opinion on the topic.
There is no doubt that when the weight comes off a little too fast you cannot help but feel/know that you are losing muscle in the process which like you said is far from ideal. Not after all the hard work that goes into it. I will definitely stick to what I am doing (and use your advice) and drink my amino-acids before I hit cardio.
As for my actual cardio I still do the low-intensity stuff. I understand the benefits of both...HIIT seems like an actual workout, and like you mentioned is better for burning more calories later with regards to EPOC. While low-intensity is monotonous, you are only burning the calories while you work but it is just active recovery (less of a workout).
My conflict/ train of thought with HIIT is that it can cut into recovery more, as like I said it can be another workout. This is an outside opinion though and I definitely don't have the experience to back this up. Obviously you do not find this so maybe it is something I can toy with and see how my body responds.
bigben66
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Sorry, I should have been more descriptive.... when I do HIIT, I do cardio HIIT...
This can either be 45 secs sprint - 15 secs rest and repeat on the treadmill...
Or 1 min hill, 1 min flat on the x-trainer...
Or 30 secs flat out - 30 secs sedentary on the static bike....
Similar to weight training orientated HIIT - but all for CV purposes...
I find it raises the HR more... starts calorie burn much earlier as the HR is raised much earlier in the workout, and gets the job done quicker than low-intensity plodding...
Sorry bud, I need to explain myself better.
I agree, HIIT with weights would wreck your recovery powers - especially at my age!
Pitbull55
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No dude I completely understood what you meant! I guess I should have explained myself better.
My question or dilemma with HIIT cardio is if it cuts into recovery? For example, when I train legs I am so stiff and sore that trotting along on the treadmill with low-intensity is difficult enough. I can be sore for at least 4 days after so I'm wondering if HIIT cardio would drag that out even longer.
Obviously you don't find this if you perform it 2-3 times a week. So maybe this is something I could experiment with and see how the body responds. Either way thanks for your input!
bigben66
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I find if anything, it gets rid of the DOMS (post-workout pains) quicker!
Seems to flush the acid from the muscles whilst I'm training... obviously I'm taking in a lot of protein to aid the recovery process too
Give it a try, and see what you think...
If you already have qulaity protein in your diet then BCAA's aren't necessary unless you are training fasted or training for incredibly long durations (think ironman or other endurance athletes).
BeauBody38
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Thermogenics
BELDT: Thermogenics top my list.
BELDT: Thermogenics top my list.
