Best PH for a first time user?

[hurrdurr]

While my experience with roids is limited, my gym work isn't, I'm 6'5" and 255lbs, natty (so far ) but the gains just aren't enough these days.

So I figured I would start out slow and try a prohormone.

What kind of PH and post cycle therapy (pct) would be the best balance of safety, health wise and gains, muscle mass wise?

I was taking a look at orbit's 1-Andro stack but is the post cycle therapy (pct) that comes with even worth getting or should I just go with a SERM?

 

[mich29]

While my experience with roids is limited, my gym work isn't, I'm 6'5" and 255lbs, natty (so far ) but the gains just aren't enough these days.

So I figured I would start out slow and try a prohormone.

What kind of PH and PCT would be the best balance of safety, health wise and gains, muscle mass wise?

I was taking a look at orbit's 1-Andro stack but is the PCT that comes with even worth getting or should I just go with a SERM?

how much do you know about ph's and pct? I'd like to suggest a few things but want to make sure you have a solid base of knowledge first.

 

[hurrdurr]

how much do you know about ph's and pct? I'd like to suggest a few things but want to make sure you have a solid base of knowledge first.

Well I've been doing my research into this general area for a month or 2 now, I won't lie and say I know it all or even a lot but I think I have the general outline/idea. I was hesitant to grab any specific product without some advice from experienced people, in my opinion experience trumps just about anything, obviously.

 

[Good Grip]

How old are you? For a starter, stay away from anything methlyated. Id say for your first run go with something safe, yet very potent such as Andromass. You should go to Primordial Performance's site and see if its for you.

 

[pterodactyl]

How old are you? For a starter, stay away from anything methlyated. Id say for your first run go with something safe, yet very potent such as Andromass. You should go to Primordial Performance's site and see if its for you.

I'm also new to this. I've been asking around/researching and some up with the following choices:

DAA + Inhibit E
FinaFlex 1-Andro + Revolution PCT
Methyl 1-d + Formadrol

I'm looking for something good/mild to start with. Not to mention all of these are within my budget.

Any thoughts on these/pointers?

 

[Good Grip]

I'm also new to this. I've been asking around/researching and some up with the following choices:

DAA + Inhibit E
FinaFlex 1-Andro + Revolution PCT
Methyl 1-d + Formadrol

I'm looking for something good/mild to start with. Not to mention all of these are within my budget.

Any thoughts on these/pointers?

Sorry bro, ive got to get up to speed on a lot of these other supplements. I do know about DAA, we have one of the best versions out- Tcf-1.

Methyl 1-d and Formadrol from LG? Its okay from the logs I read. Lots of guys say dont even bother with Methyl 1-d.

Finaflex 1 Andro im not knowledgable enough to say, but its probably a better option than LG's ph's.

To this day my favorite was 1 test and when Andromass is released aaaaaand once I get around to trying it, it just may become my new favorite. Btw, 1 test has been banned since like 2004 or something. So im eagerly waiting to try Andromass.

 

[pterodactyl]

Sorry bro, ive got to get up to speed on a lot of these other supplements. I do know about DAA, we have one of the best versions out- Tcf-1.

Methyl 1-d and Formadrol from LG? Its okay from the logs I read. Lots of guys say dont even bother with Methyl 1-d.

Finaflex 1 Andro im not knowledgable enough to say, but its probably a better option than LG's ph's.

To this day my favorite was 1 test and when Andromass is released aaaaaand once I get around to trying it, it just may become my new favorite. Btw, 1 test has been banned since like 2004 or something. So im eagerly waiting to try Andromass.

Yea, I've heard a lot of back and forth about the LG stacks. Was just curious. I appreciate it, though. I just can't afford the Andro-stacks.

Do you know anything about CEL Stano-Drol? I just had a couple people suggest running that with a on/post cycle assist. I have a couple friends who ran CEL's H Drol with CEL's pre/on/post cycle with awesome results. Heard it was a good mild place to start, but I dunno if I want to jump right to H Drol.

Know anything about those?

 

[Kristofer68ss]

N2Guard
Helladrol- 100mg ED safe side, 150mg ED for the ballsy. lol.
Hcgenerate
Phytoserms-Forma(optional)
Bridge-Forma(optional)
Gear and/or Isolation

12ish weeks of lean mass, strength and size.

Done deal. That just looks sexy.

 

[BigBlackguy]

You can side with weaker non-methyls such as Androlean, M-LMG, Prostanz, a few others...
You can side with moderate methyls such as Epistane, Halodrol, low-dose superdrol (5-10 mg)
You can side with moderate non-methyls such as Androhard or Andromass.
Or you can hit strong methyls like (DMZ, Superdrol at over 10mg).

I'd suggest start with the lower tier, work your way up. Or just skip the first tier and go to the second. Epistane is my all-time favorite.

 

[grenmoyo]

um...i'll just say stick to proven non-methyl ones. I did a 4 week cycle of S-drol with some benifits but after taking it, i don't recommend it personally as a intro otc steroid...

 

[hurrdurr]

How old are you? For a starter, stay away from anything methlyated. Id say for your first run go with something safe, yet very potent such as Andromass. You should go to Primordial Performance's site and see if its for you.

I'm 22 years old. I do want to play it safe (relatively anyways), apparently you guys don't ship to Canada though? So that leaves me out of that option.

 

[ryansm]

You can side with weaker non-methyls such as Androlean, M-LMG, Prostanz, a few others...
You can side with moderate methyls such as Epistane, Halodrol, low-dose superdrol (5-10 mg)
You can side with moderate non-methyls such as Androhard or Andromass.
Or you can hit strong methyls like (DMZ, Superdrol at over 10mg).

I'd suggest start with the lower tier, work your way up. Or just skip the first tier and go to the second. Epistane is my all-time favorite.

^^^Good overview
For a first timer I really think our new AndroSeries line-up is the best option. If anyone is looking for discounts just PM a rep

 

[brownchoclit]

bro if you're just starting off, then you cant go wrong with Hdrol. mild on sides...pretty decent on gains and most people don't find it too hard to hang onto most of the gains too. you could do a 6wk cycle@100-125mg/ed(you're a big guy). for most 100mg is ample...pct with nolva or clomid (or both). if you look around, you will find many logs to read up on.

 

[jeterfan02]

I have done ph's and know that a product called 5 deca-zol works very well, it is delivered through your liver and kidneys though which can be taxing. As long you don't abuse the cycle and cool it on boozing for awhile you will be fine. Also dont run more than 8 weeks at time.

 

[heatman74]

If i could chime in. still a noob though.
Since your pretty young, your liver will bounce back quick. so i say go with something between mild and wild.
i did my research, for a couple of months. asked questions. this is what i came up with:
4wk On cycle
Dieselbolan
HCgenerate
Liver protectant

4wk PCT:
Forma-Stanozol
Off cycle
unleashed.

No gyno(no itchy sensitive nipps).
only sides i got was a very VERY MILD headache mid day.

 

[pterodactyl]

bro if you're just starting off, then you cant go wrong with Hdrol. mild on sides...pretty decent on gains and most people don't find it too hard to hang onto most of the gains too. you could do a 6wk cycle@100-125mg/ed(you're a big guy). for most 100mg is ample...post cycle therapy (pct) with nolva or clomid (or both). if you look around, you will find many logs to read up on.

I'm looking at the H-Drol Cycle pretty hard. (Might stack it with Stano-Drol) I've asked/read around and come up with the following:

wk 1: load milk thistle/hawthorn berry (continue throughout)
wk 2-8: start CEL cycle assist
wk 3-8: H-Drol 50/50/75/75/75
(wk 3-8: Stano-Drol 300/450/450/450/450/450)
wk 9-12: post cycle therapy (pct) Revolution Black, Reduce XT)
(Or I'll run DAA + Inhibit E + Reduce XT + SNS Liver Assist)

How does this look? I'm 6'2" 160, looking to put a solid (maintainable) 10 (ideally 15) pounds on by the end of August. I only plan on running the cycle once.

Should I expect some good gains with this? My diets in check, have whey/multi/fish and will be using either Kre-Alkalyn or DiCreatine Malate (I'm prone to bloating and want to stay away from mono).

 

[elgreco26]

On any PH go with a SERM post cycle therapy (pct) and do it properly. Read up on post cycle therapy (pct)s very carefully, it's the most important part of the cycle.
4 years ago I did PH without a proper post cycle therapy (pct), I lost most of my gains and got some gyno. (Swollen puffy nips with a hard lump under the skin aka man breasts)

 

[hurrdurr]

Thanks for all the tips so far everyone.

I've been considering stacking the following:
Ostarine
DAA
Erase

For about 30-45 days. Now I've heard osta requires no PCT but may still consider a SERM just to be cautious, other than that is there anything I could/should add in there?

Just a wild brain wave, I'm still debating the h-drol as it sounds fairly effective as well.