Best post cycle therapy (pct) for Test E and equipose Cycle?

[J_oo4]

Best PCT for Test E and equipose Cycle?

So I am wondering what the best post cycle therapy (pct) is for a test E and Equipose Cycle? Test E at 500mg/week for 14 weeks Equipose at 500mg/week start 1 week after starting Test. For my post cycle therapy (pct) meds I have 5000ieu of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), 100 10mg tamoxifen tabs and 24 50mg clomid pills, will this be enough? Thanks bros

 

[TryinToGetStrong]

Go here http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/618782-more-more-failed-pcts.html and here http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/595482-standard-pcts.html read learn.

 

[J_oo4]

I have read both these articles, For never taking Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) I feel my body might act different to 2000 ius every other day for 3 weeks. does anyone have input? would 2000ius be to much to start out with? Also I would like to run the clomid and nova together. can anyone help elaborate on my post cycle therapy (pct)? Thanks bros

 

[A.B]

Dont like doing the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) blast.

Use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) twice a week 250 to 500 iu

Stop Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 4 days before starting clomid/nolva

Btw start test and eq at the same time. Eq takes a long time to kick in

You need more nolva and clomid and hcg. Don't start until you get it

 

[cashout]

I have read both these articles, For never taking Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) I feel my body might act different to 2000 ius every other day for 3 weeks. does anyone have input? would 2000ius be to much to start out with? Also I would like to run the clomid and nova together. can anyone help elaborate on my post cycle therapy (pct)? Thanks bros

What is your basis for believing your "body might act different to 2000 ius every other day for 3 week."

Just a guess, shot in the dark, why do you think that? Why do you think you are different than hundreds of others for whom 2000 ius has work well?

If you look at the spreadsheet posted at the end of the first thread to which you were referred you'll see that clomid and nolva should be run together after the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) blast.

 

[gymrat827]

So I am wondering what the best PCT is for a test E and Equipose Cycle? Test E at 500mg/week for 14 weeks Equipose at 500mg/week start 1 week after starting Test. For my PCT meds I have 5000ieu of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), 100 10mg tamoxifen tabs and 24 50mg clomid pills, will this be enough? Thanks bros

thats enough....idk why your asking is your pct ok when you the the big 3 in there (nolva, clomid, hcg)....

odd, but yea, your cool...just need to learn how to use all the stuff.

 

[J_oo4]

The reason I believe my body might act different is because I read that with a first time user for Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) high dose like 2000 IUs in one day it can mess with a person who has never taken it, and so they said for a starter using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) they could start 250is or 500iu twice a week will help them get use to it. And I dont think im different than hundreds of people, I just dont believe there is ONE post cycle therapy (pct) that works for everyone and could be over kill. and for gymrat827 I know I have the big 3 but what are is the dose I should take for all 3 smart ass you were no help.

 

[cashout]

The reason I believe my body might act different is because I read that with a first time user for Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) high dose like 2000 IUs in one day it can mess with a person who has never taken it, and so they said for a starter using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) they could start 250is or 500iu twice a week will help them get use to it. And I dont think im different than hundreds of people, I just dont believe there is ONE post cycle therapy (pct) that works for everyone and could be over kill. and for gymrat827 I know I have the big 3 but what are is the dose I should take for all 3 smart ass you were no help.

Interesting. Never once in 26 years of doing this have I ever read that supposition.

Where did you read that?

So you have no idea why you might react differently but you read it somewhere. How does that relate to you?

Have you done post cycle therapy (pct) previously?

If so, what did you do for post cycle therapy (pct)?

If so, did you get blood work done to validate what you did as a success?

With post cycle therapy (pct), there is no "overkill."

You should do everything possible to aid recovery not try to minimize the drugs used, the dosages, or duration of the post cycle therapy (pct).

 

[J_oo4]

Ok this is why I came to this site to find out the real truth on post cycle therapy (pct) and you guys are jumping on my balls. Ha I came here to make sure the info I got was right or not that***8217;s it. Geez

So I read this on anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/87070-hcg-usage-cycle.html from member nunes. It relates to me because it would be my first time using HCG. Just like your atricles, how does it relate to me?... I NEED post cycle therapy (pct) info. you post that for people to read right?

I have taken Clomid for post cycle therapy (pct), 50mg every day for 6 weeks.

SO you saying a person can take more of Clomid or Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and it will never be too much? If so your def not the type of dude I would listen to. I know you know your shit so there is such thing as ***8220;OVERKILL***8221; on post cycle therapy (pct).

I agree that a person should do everything possible to recover but I believe there is a point to where a person is taking to much post cycle therapy (pct) drugs.

I***8217;m not here to argue with you guys, I just came here to ask a question and get a real answer, that***8217;s why this board is here. Thanks

 

[J_oo4]

here is another one - jcem.endojournals.org/content/90/5/2595.full

 

[cashout]

Ok this is why I came to this site to find out the real truth on post cycle therapy (pct) and you guys are jumping on my balls. Ha I came here to make sure the info I got was right or not that***8217;s it. Geez

So I read this on anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/87070-hcg-usage-cycle.html from member nunes. It relates to me because it would be my first time using HCG. Just like your atricles, how does it relate to me?... I NEED post cycle therapy (pct) info. you post that for people to read right?

I have taken Clomid for post cycle therapy (pct), 50mg every day for 6 weeks.

SO you saying a person can take more of Clomid or Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and it will never be too much? If so your def not the type of dude I would listen to. I know you know your shit so there is such thing as ***8220;OVERKILL***8221; on post cycle therapy (pct).

I agree that a person should do everything possible to recover but I believe there is a point to where a person is taking to much post cycle therapy (pct) drugs.

I***8217;m not here to argue with you guys, I just came here to ask a question and get a real answer, that***8217;s why this board is here. Thanks

First, I am not jumping on you.

I am not trying to argue with you either but you asked for the "best post cycle therapy (pct)" and that is what I believe I am providing you with in this thread.

I am not one to sit here and tell you you are "good to go" when I fully expect the outcome will be devastating to you later.

I am trying to keep you from making the same mistake as many many others on this site.

This board sees at least one new thread every few days about a "fail post cycle therapy (pct)."

In my inbox, I get at least one mail a week about some who failed to recover and wants help.

Do you know what they all have in common?

Every one of them tried to minimize their post cycle therapy (pct).

You can tell someone who is trying to do just the bare minimum for post cycle therapy (pct) because they always ask the question "Is my post cycle therapy (pct) good enough?"

I give you credit for asking for the "Best post cycle therapy (pct)" that is why I post a response for you to read.

Again, I'm not jumping on you; I'm trying to help you and the guys around here who know me will tell you that is all I ever try to do for folks.

Now, you misunderstood my question. I want to know why you think you need less HCG?

You wrote that some people need less. Why do you feel you need less? Give me a reason about your body that make you feel like you would do better with less.

As for the links you posed, the first link is from John Crisler and I know it well.

In that narrative he is talking about on cycle use of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) not post cycle therapy (pct).

You made no mention of planning to use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) on cycle. Make sure you know what you are doing. Go back and reread what he is saying.

He also claims that...

"Any more than 500IU of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) - human chorionic gonadotropin - per day causes too much aromatase activity. Some feel aromatase is actually toxic to the Leydig cells of the testes."

That has never been demonstrated in any human clinical study and I've read them all.

Sure there is a study that used Lydig cells from rats in a petri dish with concentrations of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 100s of times greater than what we are talking about here. Knowing mammalian morphology as I do, I would not call that support of any kind for the above statement


The second link you post is using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) with men on 200 mg of test a week - again not a post cycle therapy (pct) situation but akin to an on cycle use of HCG. Read it again.

Those two links don't support what you are saying.

Obviously one can take enough of anything to cause harm, but if you looked at the spreadsheet I linked, you would see the exact doasge of each drug I recommend. Not overkill at all.

What is the negative effect if the post cycle therapy (pct) I suggest is "overkill?" If you recover the function of your HPTA then the negative effect is you spent an extra $50-100 bucks on durgs and your post cycle therapy (pct) lasted 6 weeks longer. In the end, you recovered and are on your way to keeping your gains from your cycle.

What is the negative effect of doing to little for post cycle therapy (pct)? Those cost are far greater - you fail to recover, you'll remain shutdown and you will steadily loose your gains from your cycle.

My mailbox is full of guys from this board who have done just the bare minimum and they all regret it.

 

[J_oo4]

Cashout thanks and I agree with you, I just read these articles and figured I would see what people thought. You have put to rest my question on using to much HCG. I agree that everyone who has ever crashed because of a weak post cycle therapy (pct) would have wished they would have done more. Im glad that you did post on my thread because you are a respected guy on this board and know your stuff. Just wanted to get everything straight before I started my cycle. Thanks and looks like I need more post cycle therapy (pct) supps

 

[cashout]

If I may be so bold as to make one final suggestion, get blood work done after your post cycle therapy (pct) is over. This way you will know beyond any doubt whether what you did for post cycle therapy (pct) worked or did not work.

It's $50 bucks and it is $50 bucks that every single person should spend for the comfort that comes with knowing that what you did worked.

There are links on here that will give you Lab codes to get it done on the cheap.

 

[J_oo4]

You can suggest anything to me, thats why Im on this site. I want to be as well informed as I can. I will def do the Blood work after post cycle therapy (pct) is over, Should I get bloodwork done before starting the cycle so I know where I stand? Thanks

 

[cashout]

You can suggest anything to me, thats why Im on this site. I want to be as well informed as I can. I will def do the Blood work after post cycle therapy (pct) is over, Should I get bloodwork done before starting the cycle? Thanks

Yes 100% - I would.

This way you have a benchmark for measurement after the cycle to know if you were able to fully recover - absolutely the best the best way to do it!

Also, if this is something you are going to do over the next couple of years (cycles) then you actually can put together time-series comparisons of your blood levels so when it is all over for you - cycling that is - you can see changes over time and you have a working history of your experiences.

That is one thing that I was able to do when I started cycling years ago and it has really helped me over the years monitor my overall health and well-being. At the end of the day, that is the most important thing.

Of course I come from a family of MDs so they "required" that I be monitored as long as I insisted on doing this stuff.

 

[J_oo4]

Perfect, yeah I mean I have done 2 test e cycles before and never did bloodwork which was dumb, So I will never know what I was at before ever doing a cycle but I can start now. I plan to keep cycles going as long as my health and well being is good and Im doing it the proper way like diet, lifting, post cycle therapy (pct), and blood work is in order. I think being able to get a time series would be great over the years to see how your well is over the years. Where are the links to blood work for $50? good to hear your family has your back.

 

[cashout]

Perfect, yeah I mean I have done 2 test e cycles before and never did bloodwork which was dumb, So I will never know what I was at before ever doing a cycle but I can start now. I plan to keep cycles going as long as my health and well being is good and Im doing it the proper way like diet, lifting, post cycle therapy (pct), and blood work is in order. I think being able to get a time series would be great over the years to see how your well is over the years. Where are the links to blood work for $50? good to hear your family has your back.

Check this thread...

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/588322-get-blood-work-done-cheap.html

 

[J_oo4]

Thanks Cashout u the man! I appreciate your help with my questions. Im sure there will be more to come. When I get my blood work I will post it and see what you think.

 

[J_oo4]

Just oredered my blood work going in tomorrow to do it. Lets hope my test comes out good.

 

[Dbolsmoothie]

If I may be so bold as to make one final suggestion, get blood work done after your post cycle therapy (pct) is over. This way you will know beyond any doubt whether what you did for post cycle therapy (pct) worked or did not work.

It's $50 bucks and it is $50 bucks that every single person should spend for the comfort that comes with knowing that what you did worked.

There are links on here that will give you Lab codes to get it done on the cheap.

Hey man. What are the links to this? Not trying to hijack the thread but I would greatly appreciate it because my doc won't let me get a test.