Beyond Repair?

[NoXQses]

What's up? I'm pretty new, and was doing some research on getting into an Epi cycle, when I found something out that EXPLAINS a lot about myself, and that I had no clue about until late last night.

Some background:

I'm 20 (About to be 21), and I've lifted hard since about 15. I'm even a CPT through NASM, and work at a gym, and G N C, so I'm not some scrub who knows nothing about fitness and nutrition. When it comes to Anabolics? Yeah, I'm scub-city. I'm 6'4" so I'm sure my growing is done there, and Im finishing my first 4 years in the Marine Corps.

My Realization:
When I was in HS, I was researching ways to get ahead in football and powerlifting. (Who doesn't?) I basically started all of the natural, most recommended things. (Protein, Creatine, Fish, Mass Gainers, Etc...) Well, I ventured into what I THOUGHT was natural. It was by LG Sciences, the brand that made the preworkout I took, blah blah, and it was sold at the nutrition store in town. Turns out, it was a PH.. Found out last night. I legitimately thought it was a natty test booster at the time, and have took plenty of them since. (They do nothing at my age, I know now.) But what I took was Methyl-1D, and fury (Epistane/LMG) or something like that (Forgot the name) and it came with Formadrol for after. I took them at like 16-17. And Yeah, I noticed that I gained alot when I took it, and ever since, I have worked harder, and gotten almost Nowhere since. I'm pretty sure it might have messed up my T. (Which would explain why I can tell way more than other guys my age on T boosters.)
I'm doing a blood panel next week to see if I do have low T, or high E from never doing a SERM. If it does show that I'm 21, with lower than avg levels, what should I do? It's a really weird situation, so I don't care how pounded I get. If I would've known, no, I wouldnt have done it.


Any advice will get repped, as I appreciate everything. I'm pretty sure I have lower T than normal. It's pretty obvious. I'm open to any avenues, HCG, doing another cycle with a SERM this time.. Just running a SERM alone.? Basically, since I've already done it, would holding off be beneficial at all?

Thanks in advance for the help..

 

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I'm open to any avenues, HCG, doing another cycle with a SERM this time.. Just running a SERM alone.? Basically, since I've already done it, would holding off be beneficial at all?

Thanks in advance for the help..

See what the blood work says, hopefully it comes back better than expected. If it is low the best thing to do I believe would be to run HCG or a SERM alone (pretty sure clomid is the one most suggest) to try and bring back test levels, there are some good threads on here about it, I don't have much knowledge on it.

Edit: Found a restart thread, like I said I don't have a whole lot of knowledge on this so I don't know how effective this is, but there are plenty of threads on here about this subject, I couldn't find the one I was looking for.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0Alu0tyS7B7FmdHhQUEVBY0lva1BhYXMyUS1mNHJiVkE&output=html

HCG will stimulate the Lydig's and hence the testes and that has to come first. clomid and nolva will not by themselves be effective enough to stimulate the Lydig cells/Testes to produce enough natural test. So, clomid and nolva early on are not really beneficial until the testes are up and running.

However clomid/nolva do help increase test once the Lydig's/testes are functional. That is why I sequenced it this way.

Research show clomid and nolva together do have a synergistic effect and produce a greater overall elevation of test than when used individually or sequentially.

Nolva is not an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). It is a SERM. Its primary function is to bind to estrogen receptors. That effectively blocks estrogen from binding to site specific tissue but it still leaves us with the problem of high estrogen in the blood. That is bad b/c a high blood level of estrogen will signal to the hypothalamus and the pituitary that there is too much test in teh body that is being convert to estrogen. The hypothalamus and pitutary will then halt the production of stimulating hormones like LH and FSH.

If that happens, then we have just rampped up the HTPA only to allow it to crash itself due to estrogen in the feedback loop.

That is exactly what happens to a lot of guys when they come off their steroid cycles and don't do a properly planed post cycle therapy (pct).

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/t...19614-restart-protocol-hcg-clomid-advice.html

I don't think its a good idea to do another cycle if you test comes back as low, you should focus on trying to recover those levels first

 

[RowsAreForTheHoes]

Yeah what q said. Clomid can help if you have issues. I hate ph for some are more dangerous then aas. I've never messed with them.