Breaking 200 and staying there

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I thought I would start my pre-cycle log/training, I've ran several cycles over the years, Helladrol Do's and Don'ts, being the best ever one I did without failure, I started at 150 and finished at 170, stayed at 170, still stay at 170, it's like I re-engineered my body to not fall past that point. I've tried and failed numerous times on multiple cycles after (Test E/Dbol/Var, Oral Test P, Helladrol again (fail)), blasting past expectations and strength, but being ultimately destroyed by diet, every, single, time. I've been doing 3J's basic cut diet and training (which I gotta say is the best training I've ever done, and he didn't have to give me that training, but he did :) ), for about 6 weeks now, I started around 180ish, currently 168, a couple months prior to this diet and training, I broke my 200lb threshold (on oral test) and reached 205 before my diet fell apart, even at one point I could decline bench 360lbs (I can't even do 180 now), and due to inconsistencies when training, I fell back to starting weight again.

I've figured that the best way for me to reach my goals is to start over from scratch, I'm currently cutting down my BF% to a low enough range until I am completely satisfied, then I will start to bulk again, with this training, there is an infinite level of improvement, it seems as my weight has gone down, my strength has gone up, I have been gradually increasing my lifts, while not suffering any loss of form or energy, I'm currently doing an all powerlifting routine w/ 20min of high altitude cardio (equivalent of 60 min regular cardio), I used to do all circuit training w/ no cardio, I've noticed the cardio let's me have some leniency with my diet, while still helping me stay cut and focused. I don't want to divulge my routine and diet because it's not good for 3J's business if I let all of his trade secrets go down the crapper, but I'm on a 5 day diet (worked it down to $200/month in groceries) and training routine with weekends open for possible cheat days (depending on my schedule), and still haven't skipped a work out day.

I'm currently taking Animal Pump, it really gives an incredible pump, kind of like Nitrix, except not as retardedly expensive, and you don't have to take it 3 times a day before meals with tons of water, take it right before I go to the gym, all pre-loaded in a single pack ready to go, only costs me $40 for a 6 week supply. Trying Mr. Hyde out for pre-workout, it appears to be the most hardcore NO out since Jack3d, except its not nearly as good, delivers a lot more focus and a lot less hand shakery, I've typically been using Optimum AmiNO Energy for the last few years, because its dirt cheap and its just straight caffeine and BCAAs, I would actually prefer it to the latter. Not taking a multi at the time, when I do I'll be taking New Chapter Once Daily for Men, best multivitamin I've ever taken, you actually can feel a difference when you don't take it.

Onto my cycle, I plan on running AML T300 @ 600mg/week and Deca @ 400mg/wk for my second pin cycle, I have 20 weeks of testosterone and 15 weeks of Deca, if I choose to run it that long, gear expires Aug 2015, so I might as well use it, I plan on running this cycle as of Jan 1/2015 (all depends on if I can find a place to live), I have Katanadrol for on cycle cutting, kick starting with Sdrol/Helladrol (might save Hella for my last 6 weeks), and Forma Stanzol for a thermogenic throughout the cycle. I may possibly even run GW-501516 as a side-by-side to Katanadrol/Formastanzol, so I can stay as lean as humanely possible as I bulk up, got Clomid, Forged PCT, and HCG on hand for PCT, as well as tons of Vialis to regulate my BP and stimulate libido, just need to pick up some Adex, and I should be good to go. Also going to continue to take Pump and my preworkout, so I will see a pretty explosive time in the gym.

I got some pics here from before I worked out, my best natty gains, my best on cycle gains, and now.

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This was before I worked out, vegetarian, my arms were like bone, all the way up, probably about 130lbs no muscle lol.

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This is the best I ever got to natty, 150lbs, 6 months of circuit traing from 130lbs

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This was when I broke 200 and hit 205
 
Cycle is a go depending on how work goes after Christmas, my strength is increasing to points that I never thought possible, it's been 9 weeks of 3J's diet and I've lost 5lbs, my biceps/triceps have lost 2.5 inches of overall size (were 16", now 13.5"), but when I'm in the gym they are like 18"s/20"s in size, like The Rock big, it's so weird. Gained 4 inches overall on my chest/lats since I've started (was 38.5, now 42.5"), lost my potbelly and traded it for some slightly sculpted abs. I find it straight up retarded that I've seen more progress in the last few months with a very small change in the way I eat and a huge change in how I train, than I have for most of my years as a bodybuilder.
 
Cycle is a go depending on how work goes after Christmas, my strength is increasing to points that I never thought possible, it's been 9 weeks of 3J's diet and I've lost 5lbs, my biceps/triceps have lost 2.5 inches of overall size (were 16", now 13.5"), but when I'm in the gym they are like 18"s/20"s in size, like The Rock big, it's so weird. Gained 4 inches overall on my chest/lats since I've started (was 38.5, now 42.5"), lost my potbelly and traded it for some slightly sculpted abs. I find it straight up retarded that I've seen more progress in the last few months with a very small change in the way I eat and a huge change in how I train, than I have for most of my years as a bodybuilder.

Keep training hard, my friend. You have made some great gains.
 
First pin Sunday.

Deca 200mg x2/week 1-15*
Andro T300 300mg 2x/week 1-20*
Sdrol 10/10/10/10
Formastanzol (AI) 5 pumps 2x ed
Katandrol/Helladrol (last 6 weeks - two weeks w/o test base)

PCT
HCG 5000iu
Clomid 25/50/50/50
Forged

I may be missing something here, but seems about right.
 
You're forgetting an AI.

You've also put HCG into PCT rather than during your cycle. HCG is HPTA suppressive so is counter-productive being in PCT.
HCG 2x week at 250iU is normal, load it in with your Test shots as you can do it IM
 
Ah yes, I will also be taking:

Animal Pump Pre-workout
Some NO - using Hyde atm, it's nothing special
New Chapter Multivitamins
 
I have been quite weary of AIs, and their suggestive uses on-cycle, I have adex on hand but don't really want to use it unless I really need to, was gonna run forma anyway for the cut effect. I've heard HCG was for pct for first 5-10 days to help get the balls to drop again.
 
I have been quite weary of AIs, and their suggestive uses on-cycle, I have adex on hand but don't really want to use it unless I really need to, was gonna run forma anyway for the cut effect. I've heard HCG was for pct for first 5-10 days to help get the balls to drop again.

Weary of using an AI to keep your e2 levels in check? really?
What are you worried about here? Surely aromatisation is a worse problem to have....

If you aren't using it ED or EoD like you do with adex or aromasin, are you getting weekly blood tests to monitor your e2 then?
 
Am I missing something, or is your cycle Testosterone-less?

If so, as a man how do you think you're going to feel after months without Test? Hopefully I'm just missing it..
 
I took forma on my first cycle with good results.

Okay, I kind of figured. Didn't have time to research at the time I asked.

Hmmm. That chart posted by HiRam shows Forma leaving 8% of residual aromatase.. whereas something like Arimidex will leave only 3%. ADex is not that expensive but proves to be much more effective. I would buy that instead personally and dose it accordingly.
 
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