Can I continue Tren without Test?

[tury694]

28lbs in 8 weeks roush doesn't seem healthy at all. You gotta be doing something wrong bud..

Dbol bloat.

 

[Matt0071]

I will run out of Prop well before I run out of my Tren. My question is, can I continue using up the Tren without stacking with Test?

order more, simple

 

[Roush]

28lbs in 8 weeks roush doesn't seem healthy at all. You gotta be doing something wrong bud..

ALL of it is muscle memory.. I had lost 30 pounds with a health condition I'm coming back from.. so I'm just gaining back what I lost. Very easy to gain back lost gains then it is to get the gains in the first place.. especially adding in AAS

 

[Roush]

Dbol bloat.

nah,, I did bloat at first and then stopped Dbol until I got my E2 under control.. now I'm running .5 mg arimidex m/w/f
and .25 mg of letro on all the other days..(fairly high dose of an AI is what I need when on dbol) my BP dropped 55 points,, I'm saying I'm fairly dry, running the Dbol 40 mg a day.

Its 28 pounds of muscle memory coming back.. not water imo. though water is part of that

 

[49ER]

I'm taking 40 mg per day right now.. feel pretty damn good all the way around (compared to how I felt pre cycle).. I'm also taking Proviron though too,, and that is a positive mood and libido enhancer as well. So I can't pin point if its the Dbol for sure or not,, but the 28 pounds of weight gain over the last 8 weeks is definitely something the Dbol has helped with.

The only negative I'm experiencing right now is from the NPP-- claustrophobia, trouble breathing-- I feel strong in the gym and the nandrolone is definitely kicked in.. but every time with deca/npp when it starts kicking in I get those two negative sides.

Ive gained 60lbs in 3yrs.....59lbs fat 1lb muscle

 

[DickBlazer]

I'd finish the Tren. Doubt running just the Tren for a bit will do much damage. Your test isn't gonna drop to zero overnight. I running Tren alone right now. Feel great. Seriously. Felt even better with dbol as these guys have brought up.

 

[49ER]

Let me break this down.... tren with no test
Well you can fuck a guy in the ass with no condom right? BUT it just wont feel the same.... ummm wait no this is not a good example, just get some test

 

[Repo]

So what about other hormone-driven systems that actually look for the testosterone molecule like the thyroid, pancreas, adrenals? Testosterone is much more than an anabolic hormone to us men; it really is a pretty integral part of a machine.

Not busting your balls btw, I still see DOCTORS stating this kind of stuff, which blows my mind.

Hey halfwit - I'm not sure about the "hormone-driven systems that actually look for the testosterone molecule like the thyroid, pancreas, adrenals?"

The tren only cycles is something I've read about - so double checked before posting this and found if you were to run a tren only cycle
you are best to at least add dbol or anadrol... or even winsterol - with these three falling in to the Class II category.

It looks like the worst effect of trenbolone only cycle - is the libido (so it seems)... however, dbol seems to correct the libido because of an androgen,
same as test.

I haven't had the chance to challenge this concept from every angle - so I'm still a bit skeptical, and is why I've ended the post with...

"I still recommend having test in the cycle."

The dbol theory, is what I've read from Bill Roberts.

 

[halfwit]

Hey halfwit - I'm not sure about the "hormone-driven systems that actually look for the testosterone molecule like the thyroid, pancreas, adrenals?"

The tren only cycles is something I've read about - so double checked before posting this and found if you were to run a tren only cycle
you are best to at least add dbol or anadrol... or even winsterol - with these three falling in to the Class II category.

It looks like the worst effect of trenbolone only cycle - is the libido (so it seems)... however, dbol seems to correct the libido because of an androgen,
same as test.

I haven't had the chance to challenge this concept from every angle - so I'm still a bit skeptical, and is why I've ended the post with...

"I still recommend having test in the cycle."

The dbol theory, is what I've read from Bill Roberts.

Ok, so here's my question for you: if a hormone (androgen) doesn't bind to a receptor, how does the body use it? A TON of the old school line of reasoning has been proven false time and time again. To illustrate, dianabol was going to be widely used for TRT as most thought we only needed a source of androgens, and an aromatizing androgen would be optimal. Problem is that the body is smarter than we give it credit for, and certain problems with insulin resistance/hypothyroidism/cortisol imbalance can definitely happen.

I'm not claiming that I know everything or am never wrong, but I'm still pretty sure that test needs to remain the base of any cycle. Can folks get away with it? Sure. But why half-ass something?

 

[JimiThing]

The theory of tren with no test - the problem wouldn't be the lack of testosterone... but the lack of estrogen.

Now, with dbol and tren - there is no need for testosterone, as these two would cover
all your basis for activity of androgen steroids.

Aromatization of Dianabol will satisfy the need for a normal degree of estrogenic activity.

This gives you a "Class I" and "Class II" steroid stack.

Trenbolone gives you the "Class I" steroid - which combines to the androgen receptor.

Dbol is your "Class II" steroid - and does not bind to the androgen receptor.

However... "I still recommend having test in the cycle."

It most certainly does bind to the AR, without a doubt it does....

 

[Repo]

Ok, so here's my question for you: if a hormone (androgen) doesn't bind to a receptor, how does the body use it? A TON of the old school line of reasoning has been proven false time and time again. To illustrate, dianabol was going to be widely used for TRT as most thought we only needed a source of androgens, and an aromatizing androgen would be optimal. Problem is that the body is smarter than we give it credit for, and certain problems with insulin resistance/hypothyroidism/cortisol imbalance can definitely happen.

I'm not claiming that I know everything or am never wrong, but I'm still pretty sure that test needs to remain the base of any cycle. Can folks get away with it? Sure. But why half-ass something?

This is interesting the more I look into it!

Let me first say this as I did in my original post - just so people don't misunderstand me... I do not recommend running any cycle without test... including tren cycles

I think this would relate to Jimmy as well... but this is what I'm seeing as I look into this a little deeper.

Dbol does bind to the androgen receptor... however it is a very weak binder to the androgen receptor, as most of it’s effects are thought to
be non-receptor meditated - and are attributed to other mechanisms such as protein synthesis as indicated by the production of muscle tissue
with very high levels of nitrogen... in addition, dbol only has modest aromatase activity.

This seems to be pretty consistent (for the most part) from what I'm looking at - except I'm seeing some saying dbol does not bind, and
some saying it's very weak in it's binding.

Does this sound correct... what do you think?