Can you pin too deep : did I hit a bad spot?

[synonymous]

Background: problem pinning quads. Always get red and sore. Always goes away but leaves a lump that takes 2 weeks to a month to go away.

Solution: Doctor ordered pins just for me (very uncommon practice. I paid the catalofue price for docs, cheap. Brand name Nippro)

Long thin (don't have them in front of me so I can tell you the exact size but they are slightly longer than previous pins.). Since my quads have all healed up and been pin free for 3 weeks, I decided again to pin them.

Before sleeping, in bed on my side, I started to pin. At a certain point I hit something painful and decided it was painful enough to pull back. I changed to a fresh pin and changed locations on same quad. Managed all the way without hitting whatever it is I hit before.

I stayed on my side. The doctor had said the reason for the lumps was likely the oil not making it into the muscle and/or migrating slighty (bumps and soreness always a few inches from injection site) so I just stayed still and lightly massaged the area (It seems every doc and nurse I ask says this is a must. I know there are some here that say don't or not necessary)

Anyways, 2 days later, whatever I hit is still sore and no redness or bumps on or around injection site.

Any idea what I hit?

 

[halfwit]

One hand width down from the hip, one up from the knee on the outside upper edge of the vastus lateralis. This leaves you a nice "golden" area that is largely devoid of nerves and blood vessels.

Unless your doc ordered you 3" needles and you have extremely small quads, you are likely noticing when you pierce the fascia - which surrounds the muscle tissue. It should feel like a slight bit of resistance, but not painful unless you're extremely close to a nerve.

Tip: if you press lightly with the needle and you feel the poke, you're likely close to a nerve, and can safely change locations an inch away without having to swap pins out.

My .02c

 

[oldmusclemike]

I don't understand?? you want advice but cannot tell us the length or G. ..Huh. I would like to help so tell me more. What size are you. Ya see if your a real skinny guy and pin with an22G or even 23G 1'-1/2 in your quad and your off a little your will have pain.

If you are a big gut this might not be the same. The quads for most people are sensitive and for some it's better to stay away, for some I say. So there are more variables here and you aren't giving us enough info.

One more thing, you don't need to change pins if you pull out and find another spot. Your blood id fresh and it is yours. Only change if you stab more than twice because of dulling the tip. Doctors / nurses have loaded up 1 cc and injected one hip with half and the other hip with half , with the same needle.

If you have trouble w/quads get the right Gauge and needle and you got shoulders and glutes etc... You may also find that one quad will react different then the other due to many factors. Good luck, but know the equip you are using no matter who gives it to you

 

[synonymous]

One hand width down from the hip, one up from the knee on the outside upper edge of the vastus lateralis. This leaves you a nice "golden" area that is largely devoid of nerves and blood vessels.

Unless your doc ordered you 3" needles and you have extremely small quads, you are likely noticing when you pierce the fascia - which surrounds the muscle tissue. It should feel like a slight bit of resistance, but not painful unless you're extremely close to a nerve.

Tip: if you press lightly with the needle and you feel the poke, you're likely close to a nerve, and can safely change locations an inch away without having to swap pins out.

My .02c

I was feeling the poke...I guess I was close to a nerve.

I don't understand?? you want advice but cannot tell us the length or G. ..Huh. I would like to help so tell me more. What size are you. Ya see if your a real skinny guy and pin with an22G or even 23G 1'-1/2 in your quad and your off a little your will have pain.

If you are a big gut this might not be the same. The quads for most people are sensitive and for some it's better to stay away, for some I say. So there are more variables here and you aren't giving us enough info.

One more thing, you don't need to change pins if you pull out and find another spot. Your blood id fresh and it is yours. Only change if you stab more than twice because of dulling the tip. Doctors / nurses have loaded up 1 cc and injected one hip with half and the other hip with half , with the same needle.

If you have trouble w/quads get the right Gauge and needle and you got shoulders and glutes etc... You may also find that one quad will react different then the other due to many factors. Good luck, but know the equip you are using no matter who gives it to you

When I wrote the post I was at work. At home now.

24G 32mm (1.25 inches).

Big guy, glutes are hard to do for me right now. Delts are fine.

 

[tbonexl]

Why don't u look up site injections? U can order pins really cheap online too. I've never seen 24 gauge pins before. Why are u even telling your doctor about your use of gear? Might as well have them pin it for you then..

 

[oldmusclemike]

I was feeling the poke...I guess I was close to a nerve.

When I wrote the post I was at work. At home now.

24G 32mm (1.25 inches).

Big guy, glutes are hard to do for me right now. Delts are fine.

No problem, but you need to get real acquainted with everything your doing. You are the one who needs to know this stuff. So sorry it I offended you that was not my intent. I just tried to be informative just like this I wrote today.

Here's what I do. For my oils I use 23G 1-1/2" glutes and quads. For water base I use 25G 5/8" when using 25G 5/8" for glutes I make sure I push in deep! I hope that give you a clear pic. GOOD LUCK

You got it wrong, I am an old guy, not very big...Ha, LOL

 

[synonymous]

No problem, but you need to get real acquainted with everything your doing. You are the one who needs to know this stuff. So sorry it I offended you that was not my intent. I just tried to be informative just like this I wrote today.

Here's what I do. For my oils I use 23G 1-1/2" glutes and quads. For water base I use 25G 5/8" when using 25G 5/8" for glutes I make sure I push in deep! I hope that give you a clear pic. GOOD LUCK

You got it wrong, I am an old guy, not very big...Ha, LOL

I meant I was a big guy and so my glutes were hard to reach. No offence was taken. I appreciate all the advice.

 

[oldmusclemike]

I meant I was a big guy and so my glutes were hard to reach. No offence was taken. I appreciate all the advice.

Well remember I'm old and don't catch it sometimes. Haa! stay cool man!

 

[synonymous]

Why don't u look up site injections? U can order pins really cheap online too. I've never seen 24 gauge pins before. Why are u even telling your doctor about your use of gear? Might as well have them pin it for you then..

I thought I responded to this, but I guess I didn't.

Gear is legal in Japan. Needles are illegal. I'm not looking at getting deported.

That said, insurance won't pay for testosterone if I take it home. They pay only if done in office. Going 2x a week would be somewhat doable if the docs office was close to home, but it's not. HCG is paid for whether taken at office or home. Home ends up being cheaper because I can pre-load the syringes and use a 5000iu amp for 10 injections. My current test is for TRT.