Clomid / HCG

tbomb24

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I am still in the process of researching and preparing in consideration for a cycle. Will be Test E only 300 – 400 mg pw / 10 weeks if I do it. I want to use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during the cycle and Clomid after for post cycle therapy (pct). I have read the following opinions about Clomid:

1.Option one: Use it post cycle only – For Test E start two weeks after last shot and use it for three weeks. Try 300mg on day 1; then use 100mg for the next 10 days; followed by 50mg for 10 days.
2.Option Two: Do the same as option one but add a burst mid cycle also
3.Option Three: Take during the cycle at 25mg per day. Discontinue when cycle is over.

One thing I have learned in my research to this point is that there are lots of different schools of thought about everything to do with juice. The general philosophy that I take from this site for first timers is to start with something simple like Test E and with a moderate dose. I agree with that logic but still want to work out the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) / Clomid part. I plan to use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during my cycle to avoid testicular atrophy. I was told that smaller doses, more frequently during a cycle will give best overall results with least unwanted side effects.
I read somewhere between 500iu and 1000iu per day would be best over about a two-week period during the cycle. I was also to take 600iu twice per week over the entire cycle.


Your thoughts?
 
HCG during cycle - 250 to 300 iu every 4 to 5 days......



Clomid post cycle therapy (pct) - option 1 is correct, (300mg on 1st day is optional)
 
No, arimidex isnt a must, it goes back to your body's sensitivity to estrogen; something you will learn by trial. Most of the estrogenic side effects are temporary and not serious, only side you should keep an eye on is gyno, in which nolvadex is enough.

One more thing about Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) use, if you have a limited supply of it, you can start it at the begining of week 4 or 5 without any noticable difference than doing it starting week 1.
 
motawa said:
Most of the estrogenic side effects are temporary and not serious, only side you should keep an eye on is gyno, in which nolvadex is enough.


Pretty dangerous statement you just made.

High Blood Pressure isn't called the Silent Killer for nothing, and is probably the MOST important thing to monitor on any cycle.

You should always have an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) (Aromatase Inhibitor) on hand when cycling, whether it be Arimidex, Aromasin, AIFM, or Letrozole.
 
Again thanks for your post. I only have Test, Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and Clomid. No Arimidex or Nolvadex.
 
StoneColdNTO said:
HCG during cycle - 250 to 300 iu every 4 to 5 days......



Clomid post cycle therapy (pct) - option 1 is correct, (300mg on 1st day is optional)

Agreed. Doing Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during the cycle will keep you from having to revamp the raisins, and you'll be good with 21 days of clomid for post cycle therapy (pct).

I've done the 300 day 1, 100 day 2-11, & 50 day 12-21 for the past few cycles and it's worked quite well.

I do, however, get irritated from the nasty clomid bacne that comes with it, but that's just part of the price we pay.
 
StoneColdNTO said:
Pretty dangerous statement you just made.

High Blood Pressure isn't called the Silent Killer for nothing, and is probably the MOST important thing to monitor on any cycle.

You should always have an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) (Aromatase Inhibitor) on hand when cycling, whether it be Arimidex, Aromasin, AIFM, or Letrozole.


Stone - could you explain you comment about High Blood ? Thanks
 
Save the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for a harsher cycle. Get some AIFM or Aromasin.


High estrogen causes water retention and that leads to high blood pressure.
 
tbomb24 said:
Stone - could you explain you comment about High Blood ? Thanks

You will have some water retention which will result in HBP. The use of one of the mentioned AI's that SC mentioned will help to keep your water retention down along with the HBP associated with it. You should probably check your blood pressure once a week while cycling. I don't know that there is a rulebook as to how often but that's just how often I check mine. As SC said, any of those will be effective and it's generally up to the individual as to which to use. I prefer Aromasin.
 
StoneColdNTO said:
Pretty dangerous statement you just made.

High Blood Pressure isn't called the Silent Killer for nothing, and is probably the MOST important thing to monitor on any cycle.

You should always have an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) (Aromatase Inhibitor) on hand when cycling, whether it be Arimidex, Aromasin, AIFM, or Letrozole.


It is my understanding that the only way you can tell if you are having an Aromatase issue is via a blood test? I have had my natural test / estrogen / blood pressure / and cholesterol levels checked as a baseline. I will retest post cycle. I also thought that Clomid inhibits estrogen conversion so would it be possible to just take a low dose of Clomid on cycle instead?
 
tbomb24 said:
It is my understanding that the only way you can tell if you are having an Aromatase issue is via a blood test? I have had my natural test / estrogen / blood pressure / and cholesterol levels checked as a baseline. I will retest post cycle. I also thought that Clomid inhibits estrogen conversion so would it be possible to just take a low dose of Clomid on cycle instead?

You need to check your BP all the time, after cycle just won't cut it, the damage couuld already be done by then.

Clomid is a SERM, and those don't stop aromatase, so to answer your question..."No"
 
StoneColdNTO said:
You need to check your BP all the time, after cycle just won't cut it, the damage couuld already be done by then.

Clomid is a SERM, and those don't stop aromatase, so to answer your question..."No"


This is the article I read about Clomid and is what prompted the question: http://www.silownia.net/steroids/clomid

To Quote: In addition to helping with post-cycle test crash, Clomid can also be used to help with elevated estrogen levels during a steriod cycle. With the intake of Clomid you can reduice risk for developing gyno. Clomid can be used as a anti-estrogen agent throught the cycle duration with good confidence just as with Nolvadex. In most instances this will be sufficient. The drug effectively minimizes the activity of estrogen in the body and wards off gyno and excess water / fat retention. However is some cases a more specific aromatase inhibitor such as armidex, Femara or Aromasin will need to be used to combat estrogen.

Any thoughts? Has anyone used Clomid on-cycle and if so do you still have to take it for post cycle therapy (pct) or are you just done? Doeses ect...?
 
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Clomid on-cycle when my tits started itchin real bad. but I was doing a gram of test at the time. But not the entire cycle either... just until sides subsided like 10 days.

I don't like using as much as they say to use for post cycle therapy (pct). 100 grams seems like too much to me. You want some estregen in your body. I have gone to 75mg week 1, 50mgweek2, 25mg week 3... as long as my nuts are increasing in size and I'm not feeling tired I'm happy.
 
tbomb24 said:
This is the article I read about Clomid and is what prompted the question: http://www.silownia.net/steroids/clomid

To Quote: In addition to helping with post-cycle test crash, Clomid can also be used to help with elevated estrogen levels during a steriod cycle. With the intake of Clomid you can reduice risk for developing gyno. Clomid can be used as a anti-estrogen agent throught the cycle duration with good confidence just as with Nolvadex. In most instances this will be sufficient. The drug effectively minimizes the activity of estrogen in the body and wards off gyno and excess water / fat retention. However is some cases a more specific aromatase inhibitor such as armidex, Femara or Aromasin will need to be used to combat estrogen.

Any thoughts? Has anyone used Clomid on-cycle and if so do you still have to take it for post cycle therapy (pct) or are you just done? Doeses ect...?

Have you been reading any of the replies you've gotten in this thread?

NO, clomid isn't going to do shit during cycle. It does not prevent aromatization. You'd have to be retarded to try and use it for that purpose when there are much more effective alternatives - and they are listed right in that article you were reading.
 
tbomb24 said:
Again thanks for your post. I only have Test, Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and Clomid. No Arimidex or Nolvadex.


Dude, not for nothing but it's not illegal to buy these things. They are NOT for human consumption however.
 
Behemoth said:
Have you been reading any of the replies you've gotten in this thread?

NO, clomid isn't going to do shit during cycle. It does not prevent aromatization. You'd have to be retarded to try and use it for that purpose when there are much more effective alternatives - and they are listed right in that article you were reading.


Yes I did...thanks for the information. The article says: "Clomid can be used as a anti-estrogen agent throught the cycle duration with good confidence" That is why I asked....
 
tbomb24 said:
Yes I did...thanks for the information. The article says: "Clomid can be used as a anti-estrogen agent throught the cycle duration with good confidence" That is why I asked....
My HRT testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) Doc put me on Test 100 mg per week, (50mg inject two times week) Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and 25mg Clomid daily. I am going to save the Clomid in case of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) shortages. Doc says to keep my sperm count up reason for daily 25mg. bc I have yet to have children. I just don't like the idea of long term use so I'll take Resveratrol OC daily too. I am very low in body fat so E shouldn't be too much an issue. My E tested at 30 so we'll see next blood test. I went same route as you, online clinic, sent to Quest for blood then physical exam by their Doc. Everything came by mail legal script, but at a cost.
 
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