Cutting Cycle ?

[Miguel_Santiago]

Hi Guys,

I was wondering if this would work or was pointless and should wait

at the moment my stats are

23yo,
224lbs,
6'3"
16% BF

anyway i was planning on running 300mg a week of test enanthate or test cypionate for 10 - 12 weeks, with nolva on hand incase of gyno and post cycle therapy (pct) along with clomid.

anyway the reason being is that i realliy don't have a problem gaining muscle i just tend to gain fat with it as i mentioned before i am at about 15 - 16% BF and it's gonna be a long road down to my goal of 10% i've been cutting for about 2 weeks and have already noticed that i have started to drop stregnth and muscle and am already starting to imagine just how much i'm going to drop by the time i get down to 10%.

Anyway the general idea was to run a generaly low dose of test to prevent catabolisim while being able to lower my cals enough to still drop fat.

so my main questions are

a - would this be a bad idea
b - should i drop the fat before thinking of cycling

 

[brizo]

You could probably diet to about 10% clean and not loose much muscle

whats your diet like?

 

[Miguel_Santiago]

At the moment my diets pretty clean, but i'm pretty active at the moment

training at the moment is

20 mins cardio pre weight training

Monday - Chest
Tuesday - Back
Wednesday - Shoulders
Thursday - Legs
Friday - Arms

In the evening i do a 5km run. 4 - 5 times a week.

Diet at the moment is -

6 meals a day about 400 kcal each i eat carbs in the morning and phase them out towards the end of the day where its salad, veggies and protein and fishoil caps.

i take glutamine before and after workout and just before bed, don't take protein powder at the moment as i prefer to get my protein from food, and i find it tends to make me gain fat. i'm taking animal cuts at the moment to help things along.

 

[parkerjones]

bump i wanna do a similar cycle

 

[Jimmykick]

I think you are right on with using a low dose test for a cutter. So many guys try to put the cycle first by building some complicated schedule of drugs. A basic test administration while focusing hard on your cardio and diet on the way to 10% BF looks fine by me. I might go 200 mgs enanthate on Mondays and Thursdays but others might say less than that is sufficient. JMO

 

[goku_kakarot77]

what cycle number is this, yes drop your BF a bit more and do the following stack if your experienced with aas

do a test prop , tren a, and masteron each at 100 mgs eod and this will be a superior cutting stack only if your experinced,

end results fat loss vasculrity and hardness

 

[ripman]

This cycle is only to be used with prior cycle experience!! Like he asked, how many cycles have you done? You can cut with any test. Its all about diet. If this is your first cycle, 300mg of test c or e will help you keep muscle while shredding fat with proper diet.

 

[Miguel_Santiago]

Thanks for the info guys.

It would have been my first cycle, as i said i find that i tend to gain muscle easily so a bulking cycle never really came into the equation, as i have always seen good gains from bulking naturally.
My concern comes in that when i start to cut i start dropping muscle relativley quickly, this would be bad enough if i had only 2 - 3% but i dread to think how much muscle i'm going to lose trying to shed 6% hence why i wanted to try and slow the ammount i would lose as much as possible.

 

[DADAWG]

Thanks for the info guys.

It would have been my first cycle, as i said i find that i tend to gain muscle easily so a bulking cycle never really came into the equation, as i have always seen good gains from bulking naturally.
My concern comes in that when i start to cut i start dropping muscle relativley quickly, this would be bad enough if i had only 2 - 3% but i dread to think how much muscle i'm going to lose trying to shed 6% hence why i wanted to try and slow the ammount i would lose as much as possible.

im personnaly like your cycle to minimize lean mass loss while dropping weight . i would probablly do 200-250 mg 2 x a week [400-500 mg a week ] and remember slow and steady wins the race . welcome to ology

 

[Miguel_Santiago]

Thanks for all the info, it's much appreciated, with the cycle i outlined:

Would this be OK for post cycle therapy (pct)?

2 Weeks after last injection

Day 1 - Clomid 200mg + Nolvadex 40mg
Following 10 days - Clomid 50mg + Nolvadex 20mg
Following 10 days - Clomid 50mg or Nolvadex 20mg

And inbetween the time of last Jab and post cycle therapy (pct) Take 500IU of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) ED, with a low dose of Nolva say 10 - 20mg to prevent oestrogenic symptoms?

or do you think the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is overkill for a low dose of test.

Thanks again

 

[DADAWG]

Thanks for all the info, it's much appreciated, with the cycle i outlined:

Would this be OK for post cycle therapy (pct)?

2 Weeks after last injection

Day 1 - Clomid 200mg + Nolvadex 40mg
Following 10 days - Clomid 50mg + Nolvadex 20mg
Following 10 days - Clomid 50mg or Nolvadex 20mg

And inbetween the time of last Jab and post cycle therapy (pct) Take 500IU of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) ED, with a low dose of Nolva say 10 - 20mg to prevent oestrogenic symptoms?

or do you think the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is overkill for a low dose of test.

Thanks again

the clomid/nolva post cycle therapy (pct) is fine but take the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 500iu every week during the cycle to prevent testicular atrophy and stop it a few days before post cycle therapy (pct) .

 

[PARKER27]

400-500mgs will do the trick. Diet will be key, i'm sure you know that. I feel the cardio may be too frequent. If you're losing strength at such a rapid pace, perhaps it's the frequency of cardio. Adjust your training regimn; lighter weight, higher rep - implement drop-sets & super-sets to keep your heart rate up.

If i'm cutting all I do is minimize carbs and follow the above regimn. My body type responds well to low voulume, high intensity(not necassarily high rep, but high intensty) training while cutting... for the simple fact my heart rate never drops. If I go high volume, low rep- then 25min of cardio my body becomes extremely catabolic, which in return decreasing strength and LBM at an alarming pace. This works for many people who weaken during their cutting phase. I have a few different splits if you go this route.

 

[Trevdog]

I like 500 mgs. per week of test. I approve of using test to preserve lean mass while cutting.

While I respect Parker's opinion I do not agree with it with regard to doing frequent cardio sessions. I don't really believe there are many people at all that do "too much" cardio, and IMO you certainly aren't doing too much. In fact, you could do more. However, I don't recommend doing more before you lift. I think 20 minutes is ok but more than that would make it hard to lift with intensity and you always need to do that.

 

[Miguel_Santiago]

Thanks for all the advice it's really helped,

this is probably going to sound a bit dense but is that 1 shot of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 500IU once a week or 500 IU once a day?

Thanks again

 

[ripman]

Thanks for all the advice it's really helped,

this is probably going to sound a bit dense but is that 1 shot of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 500IU once a week or 500 IU once a day?

Thanks again

500iu's a week. split up into two shots of 250iu's a week

 

[motawa]

dont know if this has been asked before, but whats ur major lift numbers ? deads, squats and presses ?