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itsmillertime

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im going to start taking winstrol and tren acetate

im going to cut down for 3 months to get ready for a show how much and when should i take the winstrol pills and the tren acetate injection
 
yah nice first lol.
sooo are you planning to use the winstrol and trenA for those 3 months???
if so you need to do alot ALOT of research before you use and steroids.
whats your stats?? eg. age,hight,yrs trainning, howmany cycles you have done, your lbs ???
then we mat help you
 
im 19 years old just started steroids 5months ago started with d-bol and test enthate.im still on d-bol and im going to take it till im 3 months out from july, so i only have like half a month, then i plan on taking the tren and winstrol, but right now im taking 50 mg a day of d-bol and 1 diet pill with ephedra in it. its my first bodybuilding show and i didnt know how long it would take me to cut down so i started my diet a little early 3 weeks ago i was 220 and now im 205 im only 5'8 so whats your guy's thoughts? any thing would help like how much and how often to take the tren and winstrol. the winstrol is oral and the tren acetate is of course injection
 
WHAT? you've been on dbol for 5 months? and you're 19???

im pretty sure that you need to stop the gear bro. your liver is probably really really hurting right now and im pretty sure dropping dbol to throw oral Winstrol (winny) into the mix is not going to help.
 
im droping d-bol probably for a week or 2 and then starting the win and tren for cutting only, im taking milk thistle pills and saw palmetto everyday for prostate and liver
 
You honestly should not be doing any of these compounds to begin with, but using them for such a long period of time, especially at your age, is extremely bad for your body. Honest to God you could be doing some SERIOUS damage, and BTW milk thistle isn't going to help 1 single bit with that kind of extensive use. Have you gotten any bloodwork done over the course of these 5 months? Checked your BP?
 
OMG are you looking to destroy your liver?

None of us can help you, you need a mental health professional!

SRSLY MATE STUDY A LITLE AND THINK ABOUT WHAT YOUR DOING BEFORE ITS TOO LATE!!!
 
Bro, go off and do pct. Bodybuilding will be there all youre life.
Jumping from oral to oral will fuck you up eventually.
 
i havent been doing straight for 5 months i should have specified when i first did it, it was a month and a half then i took off 2 months then a month and 3 weeks then off for like a month and i just got back on it a week ago today and up untill now i was only taking minimal doses of 20 mg a day im not trying to blow myself up
 
Still, it's a lot of Dbol. Have you been doing PCT during your off time or just not using Dbol? If you aren't using HCG/during or clomid/after each of your "cycles" if you want to call it that, then you're most likely just wasting your time. Dbol gains are pretty shitty IMO and you lose most of them, especially when you use it alone, and even more so if you dont do correct PCT. Dbol should really just be a kick-start to a cycle, not cycled alone. At your age I wouldn't even think about doing AAS anyway, as your body is still growing naturally, and shooting 250mg of test a week is nothing compared to a 19 year old bodys natural test levels. Do some PCT, stay off the drugs, eat, train hard, and gain some knowledge.
 
Cycling with DBol can allow you to kick start a Test cycle or can allow you to do a short bulking cycle with Test P/DBol... but cycling it the way you have been is very irresponsible. I would really recommend you do yourself a favor and scrap the idea of this show in July and get yourself on some Clomid to get your HPTA back in order. If you don't take this recommendation and you plan on running the Tren and Winstrol (winny), I would recommend this:

Running the Tren for 12 weeks WITH Test Prop (at a maintenance dose at least) and adding the Winstrol (winny) for the last 5 weeks at 50mg/day. Winstrol (winny) will do nothing for you compared to the Tren, but if dropping the little bit of water you may be holding, it could do the trick.
 
epoxy said:
shooting 250mg of test a week is nothing compared to a 19 year old bodys natural test levels.
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That's not necessarily true... At 20, I had my Test levels checked and they were 452 ng/dl (250-800 was the "normal range"), which would indicate that I was done with puberty completely and my levels were that of an average male.

I do agree with you that itsmillertime is using AAS irresponsibly and shouldn't be using gear, but I just wanted to clear that up.
 
MilkDaScow said:
That's not necessarily true... At 20, I had my Test levels checked and they were 452 ng/dl (250-800 was the "normal range"), which would indicate that I was done with puberty completely and my levels were that of an average male.

I do agree with you that itsmillertime is using AAS irresponsibly and shouldn't be using gear, but I just wanted to clear that up.
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I guess I should clarify a bit more. What I should have said was that it's basically a waste of money to run 250mg/week of test. I couldn't see massive gains from a minimal dose. My test levels were a bit higher than that at 21 when I last had them checked, but w/e. I know you are just trying to help the kid by giving him advice knowing he may well do what he wants to regardless of what we say in terms of how irresponsible it would be to continue with his plans of a Tren cycle after all the shit he has recently put his body through, but damn.

Best advice: PCT, lay off the gear for a while, and get full bloodwork done. You've got plenty of time to win contests.
 
epoxy said:
I guess I should clarify a bit more. What I should have said was that it's basically a waste of money to run 250mg/week of test. I couldn't see massive gains from a minimal dose. My test levels were a bit higher than that at 21 when I last had them checked, but w/e. I know you are just trying to help the kid by giving him advice knowing he may well do what he wants to regardless of what we say in terms of how irresponsible it would be to continue with his plans of a Tren cycle after all the shit he has recently put his body through, but damn.

Best advice: PCT, lay off the gear for a while, and get full bloodwork done. You've got plenty of time to win contests.
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I agree with you completely. I think that anyone who doesn't know what Clomid is shouldn't be using anything. I just wanted to clarify the 250mg/wk of Test E thing, but you're totally right. MOST people who don't have severely depressed natural levels won't grow on low low doses.

Unfortunately, you're also right about him continuing his irresponsible AAS use. I feel obligated to give him the best advice possible knowing that he's not going to take the "take a break" advice.
 
Unfortunately I was the same way at 19 but I just feel that I did the wrong thing. I didn't have access to AAS and I ran a couple cycles of M1T when it was popular, but I know I should've waited a couple more years and got some more serious training under my belt. If the kid is already in shows then obviously he's serious about his body but IMO he should be a lot more serious with his health. Winning a few contests at 19 isn't worth having a totally fucked liver by the time he's 25.
 
epoxy said:
Unfortunately I was the same way at 19 but I just feel that I did the wrong thing. I didn't have access to AAS and I ran a couple cycles of M1T when it was popular, but I know I should've waited a couple more years and got some more serious training under my belt. If the kid is already in shows then obviously he's serious about his body but IMO he should be a lot more serious with his health. Winning a few contests at 19 isn't worth having a totally fucked liver by the time he's 25.
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M1T... it's tragic that you could buy that shit online a few years ago. I used it when I was 17 because it was a "pro-hormone" and I figured it would just help support my natural Test production, not replace it. Used 6-Oxo as post cycle therapy (pct) and thank god I did, I've heard some terrible stories about that shit. I have to say that it did work well though, I never complained about the results I had.
 
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