Cycle 4 Check for Bulking Summer

[omgmike1]

1-6 100mg Dbol
1-16 800mg Mast E
1-16 600mg Test E
1-16 800mg Tren E


Would there be any use in adding in Deca at 600 maybe? I've never ran Mast before. The goal of the cycle is pure mass.
Of course diet will be in check, complex carbs: High Protein and Few Dietary Fats.

Won't be doing this cycle for a while, till I'm done with my cut, but I'm planning ahead of time. I've always done only test and tren cycles, with tren normally being down at 400.

 

[Gainjin260]

I've got less experience than you. You should know better.

100mg of dbol for 6 weeks? Not even on NAC and tudca would I run that.

 

[omgmike1]

I don't see any point in listing any the Aux, but of course I will be running them.

I will be running as liver support: 2.4g Nac + 3 Liv52 Caps ED for the 6 weeks on the 100mg dbol

I'm looking for more synergy in compounds here. I've never ran High tren, mast or even Deca. So I'm looking for feedback.


The Adex dosage will vary as well.

 

[Gainjin260]

My point was that even if you're running all the liver protection on the market I still wouldn't run that high a dose for that long a time. It's your liver, do what you want.

 

[fitguy22]

i wouldnt do more than 80mg of dbol,that too for 4 weeks at max.
2g of gear a week? bro im not a pro but this might be too much.
cut your test dose down since your tren and mast is high which should benefit you in getting your goals without extra health issues this cycle may bring you.
good luck

 

[Roush]

nothing wrong with a test / tren / masteron cycle with a d-bol kickstart . pretty standard stuff. other then I'd cut the dbol dosage way down.

if MASS is your main goal , you may also want to start researching other options and protocols. eg., running HGH and Slin with your anabolics. Running short and long esters together and front loading for faster better gains.
eg.
Test Prop 150 mg EOD (6 weeks) with Test E 500 per week (14 weeks)
NPP 150 mg EOD (6 weeks) with Deca 500 mg per week (12 weeks)
Masteron Prop 150 mg EOD (6 weeks) Masteron E 600 mg per week (14 weeks)


or a full on fast acting Bulk
Dbol - 60 mg ED (6 weeks) OR Anadrol at 100 mg (4-5 weeks)
Ment ace - 100 mg ED (8 weeks)


^^ could blow up pretty fast using only those two compounds with a test base (test prop of course).


just a couple of 'out of the box' ideas to kick around and research . again , test / tren / mast is pretty standard stuff . but yeah you can keep it simple , simple still works

 

[omgmike1]

My point was that even if you're running all the liver protection on the market I still wouldn't run that high a dose for that long a time. It's your liver, do what you want.

I ran 50mg dbol before for 6 weeks. I felt nothing from it. No size, no strength... Regardless if diet was on solid point or not, I should have gained a decent amount of strength for sure at least..... Either my tolerance for it was high, so I'd run it again but at 100mg OR it was junk gear from GP.. Not sure which case.....

I have ran another UGL anadrol at 100 and man, the str was coming in like crazy at 2 weeks and I was eating no food each day. I mean literally less than 700 cals cause my loss of app was so bad, but that str lol....

nothing wrong with a test / tren / masteron cycle with a d-bol kickstart . pretty standard stuff. other then I'd cut the dbol dosage way down.

if MASS is your main goal , you may also want to start researching other options and protocols. eg., running HGH and Slin with your anabolics. Running short and long esters together and front loading for faster better gains.
eg.
Test Prop 150 mg EOD (6 weeks) with Test E 500 per week (14 weeks)
NPP 150 mg EOD (6 weeks) with Deca 500 mg per week (12 weeks)
Masteron Prop 150 mg EOD (6 weeks) Masteron E 600 mg per week (14 weeks)


or a full on fast acting Bulk
Dbol - 60 mg ED (6 weeks) OR Anadrol at 100 mg (4-5 weeks)
Ment ace - 100 mg ED (8 weeks)


^^ could blow up pretty fast using only those two compounds with a test base (test prop of course).


just a couple of 'out of the box' ideas to kick around and research . again , test / tren / mast is pretty standard stuff . but yeah you can keep it simple , simple still works

I like to run long esters. I'm not a fan of shooting EOD. The only time I did it was with tren ace 400 PW. I'm fairly certain it was bunk cause I gained nothing out of it in 12 weeks lol.. My luck sometimes with labs is sad news. I should have known though cause I didn't get the cough whatsoever in over 25+ shots of it.

My cycle is simple IMO cause it's 3ml in glute + 2ml in delt e3d. Easy to keep track of and a nice kick start. Why are some of u guys saying it's too much gear? I hear Mast is mild as is and my cruise dosage is around 500mg test e too. So in reality it's like 800 tren and 100 dbol.. Not too bad, thoughts?

I don't think I've ever seen MENT sold before too. Or at least a UGL with good rep. Only one I've heard of it GP and I refuse to use them again after some products I've tried..

 

[Roush]

any company that would fake D-bol (the cheapest compound you can buy) is a total scam and everything they sell is prob bunk. within a week of 50 mg a day of D-bol you should have started blowing up , strength up , BP elevated etc.. 100 mg of 'real' d-bol is really not necessary. i run only 20-30 mg when 'bridging' and thats plenty. 50 tops when bulking.

I'd be looking around for a better source. also maybe thats why you lean towards high dosages , your used to getting weak and under dosed gear , idk.

I've ran Masteron E at 600 mg a week with a 100 mg EOD Masteron P kick start. which is a fairly high dose (950 per week). I've also ran it at low to moderate 400 mg a week as well. did not notice a huge difference going with higher dosage, Maseton is not really a stand alone steroid . Its a 'synergistic' that works well by enhancing other compounds. so no need to run it drastically high when running multiple compounds with it. 600mg is fine.

if you been cruising on 500mg of test a week, before you bulk you may want consider lowing that drastically or detoxing before you start the bulk cycle. re-sensitze your receptors. 500mg a week of test isn't exactly a maintenance dose,, if its properly dosed that should put you at supra-physiological blood levels of test, and again doing that year round is not maintenance. time to detox and re-sensitize then be better off going into a bulking stack after that imo

 

[omgmike1]

any company that would fake D-bol (the cheapest compound you can buy) is a total scam and everything they sell is prob bunk. within a week of 50 mg a day of D-bol you should have started blowing up , strength up , BP elevated etc.. 100 mg of 'real' d-bol is really not necessary. i run only 20-30 mg when 'bridging' and thats plenty. 50 tops when bulking.

I'd be looking around for a better source. also maybe thats why you lean towards high dosages , your used to getting weak and under dosed gear , idk.

I've ran Masteron E at 600 mg a week with a 100 mg EOD Masteron P kick start. which is a fairly high dose (950 per week). I've also ran it at low to moderate 400 mg a week as well. did not notice a huge difference going with higher dosage, Maseton is not really a stand alone steroid . Its a 'synergistic' that works well by enhancing other compounds. so no need to run it drastically high when running multiple compounds with it. 600mg is fine.

if you been cruising on 500mg of test a week, before you bulk you may want consider lowing that drastically or detoxing before you start the bulk cycle. re-sensitze your receptors. 500mg a week of test isn't exactly a maintenance dose,, if its properly dosed that should put you at supra-physiological blood levels of test, and again doing that year round is not maintenance. time to detox and re-sensitize then be better off going into a bulking stack after that imo

Yea I've came to realize most labs I been using have been giving me underdosed or even bunk stuff. The current lab I have for accutane and the old anadrol I ran was awesome.
I say I'm crusing on 500 test, but tbh.. it's prob less than that. I bought a huge vials batch a while ago and sometimes it's okay and other times it's not.

I'm trying to gain a certain amount of size one last cycle and then I want to be done with the AAS life and just be lean on TRT dose for a few years and focus on other aspects in life, so I'm ramping the dosages up this time and willing to do more if it will benefit me more. I've seen how most guys on steroid forums look by their AVI and I see the cycles they post. I find it interesting because the guys that run the average-moderate dose cycles, just look like a chopped up asthetic model...But the ones who run in g's of gear look a like more like a bodybuilder, thickness everywhere. I'm thinking about testing my theory because I've been told too often that "thats plenty" and I've always listened and the results were poor to moderate.


Think about it Roush, how many guys run 500mg test, 400mg deca cycles and look huge. It just doesn't happen. My last cycle: 100mg anadrol, 400mg tren ace, 750mg test e... I got no results from it. The Test gained me little to nothing, the tren was surely bunk and the anadrol I had to drop at week 2 due to loss app, but it was the only thing I felt lol and from a diff lab. It was suppose to be my last cycle, but I call it a lesson learned and I won't cycle again this way, especially with the last diet I ran on too much BS food. Trial and error. I'm still learning my body.

 

[49ER]

Yea I've came to realize most labs I been using have been giving me underdosed or even bunk stuff. The current lab I have for accutane and the old anadrol I ran was awesome.
I say I'm crusing on 500 test, but tbh.. it's prob less than that. I bought a huge vials batch a while ago and sometimes it's okay and other times it's not.

I'm trying to gain a certain amount of size one last cycle and then I want to be done with the AAS life and just be lean on TRT dose for a few years and focus on other aspects in life, so I'm ramping the dosages up this time and willing to do more if it will benefit me more. I've seen how most guys on steroid forums look by their AVI and I see the cycles they post. I find it interesting because the guys that run the average-moderate dose cycles, just look like a chopped up asthetic model...But the ones who run in g's of gear look a like more like a bodybuilder, thickness everywhere. I'm thinking about testing my theory because I've been told too often that "thats plenty" and I've always listened and the results were poor to moderate.

Its no secret everybody says less is more but its not lol..... Nobody is gonna tell me 100mg of tren ace eod is all you need bump it to 100 ed or 150 and tell me higher doses dont make you grow more. What i dont recommend unless you are in growth is high test i seriously dont think our vodys can do shit with over a gram. I stay on 500 tops but prefer 250mg thsts what i plan in staying on.

 

[carverelli]

100mg of dbol ..my back cramps so bad I couldn't shit
50 MG would be way penty

 

[omgmike1]

100mg of dbol ..my back cramps so bad I couldn't shit
50 MG would be way penty

I'll Prob do 25mg every 6 hours for the dbol. Should be okay at 100mg, I did list my liver support above.

If I took 2.4g Nac + 4 Liv52 Caps Per day. My liver should be fine for sure lol.

 

[Roush]

Its no secret everybody says less is more but its not lol.....

actually there are reasons why 'less is sometimes more' , especially in regards to overall health (negative health will ruin your gains,, hard to put on muscle mass when your in a hospital bed or dead bro)

PELIOSIS HEPATIS, A CONDITION IN WHICH LIVER AND SOMETIMES SPLENIC TISSUE IS REPLACED WITH BLOOD-FILLED CYSTS, HAS BEEN REPORTED IN PATIENTS RECEIVING ANDROGENIC ANABOLIC STEROID THERAPY. THESE CYSTS ARE SOMETIMES PRESENT WITH MINIMAL HEPATIC DYSFUNCTION, BUT AT OTHER TIMES THEY HAVE BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH LIVER FAILURE. THEY ARE OFTEN NOT RECOGNIZED UNTIL LIFE-THREATENING LIVER FAILURE OR INTRA-ABDOMINAL HEMORRHAGE DEVELOPS. WITHDRAWAL OF DRUG USUALLY RESULTS IN COMPLETE DISAPPEARANCE OF LESIONS. LIVER CELL TUMORS ARE ALSO REPORTED. MOST OFTEN THESE TUMORS ARE BENIGN AND ANDROGEN-DEPENDENT, BUT FATAL MALIGNANT TUMORS HAVE BEEN REPORTED. WITHDRAWAL OF DRUG OFTEN RESULTS IN REGRESSION OR CESSATION OF PROGRESSION OF THE TUMOR. HOWEVER, HEPATIC TUMORS ASSOCIATED WITH ANDROGENS OR ANABOLIC STEROIDS ARE MUCH MORE VASCULAR THAN OTHER HEPATIC TUMORS AND MAY BE SILENT UNTIL LIFE-THREATENING INTRA-ABDOMINAL HEMORRHAGE DEVELOPS. BLOOD LIPID CHANGES THAT ARE KNOWN TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH INCREASED RISK OF ATHEROSCLEROSIS ARE SEEN IN PATIENTS TREATED WITH ANDROGENS AND ANABOLIC STEROIDS. THESE CHANGES INCLUDE DECREASED HIGH-DENSITY LIPOPROTEIN AND SOMETIMES INCREASED LOW-DENSITY LIPOPROTEIN. THE CHANGES MAY BE VERY MARKED AND COULD HAVE A SERIOUS IMPACT ON THE RISK OF ATHEROSCLEROSIS AND CORONARY ARTERY DISEASE.

theres a risk. moderate dosages are just one way to help limit risk as best as possible (but risk is still there)

 

[omgmike1]

actually there are reasons why 'less is sometimes more' , especially in regards to overall health (negative health will ruin your gains,, hard to put on muscle mass when your in a hospital bed or dead bro)



theres a risk. moderate dosages are just one way to help limit risk as best as possible (but risk is still there)

I guess my casket is going to be bigger than yours Roush...

 

[Roush]

I guess my casket is going to be bigger than yours Roush...

no worries man .. 49ers casket will be bigger then both ours put together cause he's planning on getting fat as fuck and taking on high dosages year round

 

[49ER]

Where the hell do you get all these garbage studies???? There are no studies and there damn sure arent any that took years and years to develop these so called "tumors" or whatever the fuck else that bullshit you read. Get over it absolutely no proof steroids have killed anyone. And your no one to talk about less.

 

[Roush]

Where the hell do you get all these garbage studies????

study ?? what study ?

this was not a study man. come on mr big steroid guy , if you have ever received prescription grade Deca or other legit AAS from a pharmacy , they legally have to provide the "PHARMACOLOGY" with it .

umm , this is no study , this is the paper work that comes with your deca prescription ,, just like comes with your ibouprpufen prescription, you prob never read

 

[blakey]

I've got a packet of var from British dragon dispenseries that has can cause cancer printed on the front of the fucker lol

 

[blakey]

Sorry just had a look at it it's on the back

 

[49ER]

no worries man .. 49ers casket will be bigger then both ours put together cause he's planning on getting fat as fuck and taking on high dosages year round

Post a pic of yourself you look like crap i guarantee it. You are a grown man that still uses rec drugs and tries so hard to impress people jist like when you posted pics of luxury cars and whores.

You actually use alot more steroids than i do i go hard before a competition then cruise. We can compare blood work anytime in the open just say the word. You think steroids are bad because you are all fucked up from the coctail of narcotics and hormones you take. Your exessive time to read tgings from the internet do not impress me.

At least i use hormones for a reason now and hold state records what have you accomplished? Your just a irresponsible party guy that juices. And yes i remember you bragging about the drugs you still use