Cycle advice needed (3rd cycle)

[Rattlehead]

I have done two cycles prior. One in 2010, may-july. And again in 2010 from nov-jan.

First cycle was 8 weeks 500 mg of test cyp/week, 40 mg of dbol ED for the first 4 weeks. Second cycle 10 weeks, 600 mg test enth/week, 40 mg dbol ED for the first 3 weeks, and 50 mg of oral Winstrol (winny) ED for the last 3 weeks.


Next planned cycle: 12 weeks

1-12 Sustanon 500 mg/week
1-10 EQ 400mg/week
A-bombs 50-100 mg ED for first 3-4 weeks (undecided on dose, and time span)
Oral tren 500 mcg ED for last 3-4 weeks of cycle. (Undecided on this, good experience with oral tren? And undecided on time span)

Basically I want to see if this makes sense. I've been lifting seriously for 3 years, I'm 6' 205 lbs with 10-12% BF. The goals from this cycle would be to add 10-20 lbs of LEAN mass. Maybe even lose abit of fat, granted I put a big effort into my diet.

Also, do I need prami ED for the EQ? And is aromasin a must? And is proviron a good idea?

I would thoroughly appreciate any feedback, thank you.

 

[StoneColdNTO]

THIS Forum: The "My Cycle" Forum is ONLY for members to post their current cycles and to keep us updated as to their results thus far. Also feel free to post your past cycles and their respective results.

Keep any questions in the Anabolic Forum

Thank you for your cooperation

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Moved to the appropriate forum.....

 

[Machine5150]

i like the cycle.. no need for the oral tren.. it is extremely liver toxic and you are already gonna do enough damage with the abombc.. i say 4 weeks 50-75mg of anadrol ED keep the rest as you have it

 

[glubgawd]

i like the cycle.. no need for the oral tren.. it is extremely liver toxic and you are already gonna do enough damage with the abombc.. i say 4 weeks 50-75mg of anadrol ED keep the rest as you have it

I disagree - drop the abombs (it's shit) and run the oral tren as a kickstart instead. Don't start at 500mcg though. Do 250mcg / 375mcg / 500mcg. Don't be tempted to run it any longer. Quick way of running into problems.

The biggest impact on liver values I've seen come from running OT at more than 500mcg and from running it longer than 3 weeks.

 

[Rattlehead]

i like the cycle.. no need for the oral tren.. it is extremely liver toxic and you are already gonna do enough damage with the abombc.. i say 4 weeks 50-75mg of anadrol ED keep the rest as you have it

I disagree - drop the abombs (it's shit) and run the oral tren as a kickstart instead. Don't start at 500mcg though. Do 250mcg / 375mcg / 500mcg. Don't be tempted to run it any longer. Quick way of running into problems.

The biggest impact on liver values I've seen come from running OT at more than 500mcg and from running it longer than 3 weeks.

This is why it so hard to choose compounds! I have heard that oral tren is highly over exaggerated with regards to the liver toxicity. I doubt 3 weeks would be to bad.

And on the other hand, I have heard tons of good things about anadrol. If I control the bloat I don't see a problem with using it?

And what about the anti estro and proviron, what do you guys use to control bloating.

Thanks.

 

[MightyMouse9999]

Most ppl use aromasin or arimidex for an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). If you're senstive to gyno you could even incorporate letro at a low dose. Don't think that you're invincible to orals bro. Your liver will hate you if you fuck around.

 

[Rattlehead]

Most ppl use aromasin or arimidex for an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). If you're senstive to gyno you could even incorporate letro at a low dose. Don't think that you're invincible to orals bro. Your liver will hate you if you fuck around.

To be honest I've never used an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). But I figured running two injectables would warrant it.
Never had an issue with gyno.

Is two orals in one cycle too much then? Was it bad that I ran Dbol and Winstrol (winny) in the same cycle? I figured the weeks in between would give my liver a break. I was also taking milk thistle, not sure how much it helps.

 

[juced_porkchop]

This is why it so hard to choose compounds! I have heard that oral tren is highly over exaggerated with regards to the liver toxicity. I doubt 3 weeks would be to bad.

And on the other hand, I have heard tons of good things about anadrol. If I control the bloat I don't see a problem with using it?

And what about the anti estro and proviron, what do you guys use to control bloating.

Thanks.

letro 0.6mg eod- e3d

 

[MightyMouse9999]

To be honest I've never used an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). But I figured running two injectables would warrant it.
Never had an issue with gyno.

Is two orals in one cycle too much then? Was it bad that I ran Dbol and Winstrol (winny) in the same cycle? I figured the weeks in between would give my liver a break. I was also taking milk thistle, not sure how much it helps.

Bro, from what I heard milk thistle is garbarge. Only way to tell if your liver is hurting is bloodwork. Check your AST and ALT levels and see if they're in normal range. Everyone is different so just be careful

 

[Rattlehead]

letro 0.6mg eod- e3d

Hey Porkchop, it's been awhile. Will incorporate letro into the cycle, thanks man.

Bro, from what I heard milk thistle is garbarge. Only way to tell if your liver is hurting is bloodwork. Check your AST and ALT levels and see if they're in normal range. Everyone is different so just be careful

Thanks for the concern man. Would it be worth getting blood work done before I start my next cycle in your opinion?

 

[MightyMouse9999]

Bloodwork is always important when it comes time to. Start a cycle

 

[Cobra Strike]

Drop the anadrol....I dont give a shit what you heard. I wouldnt even oral tren but if your going to anyway (which its sounds like you dont even want advice) I would run it like glubgawd said. And the length you are running eq is shit...thats needs to be run longer like deca...16weeks...and I would def add in an ai

 

[Rattlehead]

Drop the anadrol....I dont give a shit what you heard. I wouldnt even oral tren but if your going to anyway (which its sounds like you dont even want advice) I would run it like glubgawd said. And the length you are running eq is shit...thats needs to be run longer like deca...16weeks...and I would def add in an ai

No need for the hostility man. Will lengethen cycle to 16 weeks. Would I be running the sus for the same amount of time? If you honestly don't think oral tren is decent I'll drop it. And ask if there are any orals you approve of for kickstarting.

I wouldn't have made a thread if I didn't want advice, I appreciate it

 

[ChrisWho?]

Drop the anadrol....I dont give a shit what you heard. I wouldnt even oral tren but if your going to anyway (which its sounds like you dont even want advice) I would run it like glubgawd said. And the length you are running eq is shit...thats needs to be run longer like deca...16weeks...and I would def add in an ai

X2, Cobra dont beat around the bush man, good way to grenade your liver big time.

 

[Cobra Strike]

No need for the hostility man. Will lengethen cycle to 16 weeks. Would I be running the sus for the same amount of time? If you honestly don't think oral tren is decent I'll drop it. And ask if there are any orals you approve of for kickstarting.

I wouldn't have made a thread if I didn't want advice, I appreciate it

Yes definitely run the test just as long as that eq...if you really want to bridge then get some dbol...which I think sucks to but its better then tren...and anadrol is just bad shit. You will retain some water from the dbol but you also will gain good strength...I run mine at 50mg/ed/6weeks...oh and get yourself some liv 52....I run that and thistle

 

[Rattlehead]

Yes definitely run the test just as long as that eq...if you really want to bridge then get some dbol...which I think sucks to but its better then tren...and anadrol is just bad shit. You will retain some water from the dbol but you also will gain good strength...I run mine at 50mg/ed/6weeks...oh and get yourself some liv 52....I run that and thistle

I think I've decided to run no orals. But I want your opinion on one last thing before I decide.

Any experience with turinabol? Sounds like a decent kick starter, and 3-4 would not to be too liver toxic I don't think. Thoughts?

 

[Cobra Strike]

I think I've decided to run no orals. But I want your opinion on one last thing before I decide.

Any experience with turinabol? Sounds like a decent kick starter, and 3-4 would not to be too liver toxic I don't think. Thoughts?

Id say stay with the dbol...turinabol is weak

 

[Rattlehead]

Id say stay with the dbol...turinabol is weak

Thanks man

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[iwant2bshredded]

IMO liv52 is far superior than milk thistle.