cycle thoughts

[george chryss]

hello everybody
here is a list of the gear i have on hand and how im planning to cycle them
your two cents would be appreciate

stats 28 yrs old 5'10 about 200..training on off all my life from kickboxing..boxing..kung fu ..bodybuilding the works!!! been back hiting the gym hard for about 2 yrs after a 2 yrs off

test cyp 30ml
eq 30ml
pharma win 30ml
tbol 2 bottles
clomid 1 bottle
lectro half a pack
hcg 2 bottles

test cyp 400 week 1 - 14 (2 times a week)
eq 400 week 1 - 14 (2 times a week)
tbol 40mg a day week 1 - 8 (3 times a week 1ml) mon wed fri
win 300 week 1 - 8 or 9

would like your opinions on the pct ...when and how much

3 weeks after last shot would be a good time to start

thank guys

ps- im aware most will suggest to leave the win run at the end or even 2 weeks longer and start pct right away
but ive been told from two very good and credible friends its best to start with the win for instant shut down...makes your body drink up the test asap and will ease the transition from win to test only to pct....
furthermore... as for running the win...3 times a week will give your body some time off to recoop and gives less opportunity for sides (as i was told from a frien/pharmacist)

 

[gettin big]

if this is your first cycle your going over board. just run test around 500mgs. If you really want two compounds kick start it with dbol for the first 4-6 weeks.

 

[kaname]

If you are going to run EQ with the test which some do on their first cycle then you need to stop the EQ two weeks prior to stopping the test. Drop the tbol from the cycle as well as the win. If you are stubborn and just want to run multiple substances for your first cycle then either do tbol or EQ but not both and don't add the win.

If you choose to run Tbol instead of the EQ then you would not be running it for 8 weeks. It will be shorter and I'm going to leave you to figure out how much shorter.

PCT would start based on the half life of the ester you are running. For cyp you would estimate 7 days. So to remove enough of it from your system before starting PCT you would wait at least 2 weeks (3 ideal to be under 200) from your last pin before starting post cycle therapy (pct). See info regarding this here: http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/618782-more-more-failed-pcts.html

 

[george chryss]

i appreciate the posts guys... good reads!
my past cycles have been oral... tbol n var...was AWESOME
having said that... yes you can say this now is my first cycle lol ...
btw the win is to keep me from bloating like a jellyfish lol
and dont know if i can drop the win... its the top brand! ive only heard how sick it is

 

[ktown]

Why not run a Aromatase inhibitor (AI) for the bloating plus keeps some of the other sides in check.

 

[kaname]

^ that x 2...

 

[george chryss]

i think im gonna go along with the cycle as is and keep doses reasonable and in check
a lil dab will do!
pct wise..
cut eq 2 weeks prior to test... then start pct? what do you guys suggest considering i got clomid,hcg, and letro

i hear mixed opinions on when to run hcg... what do you guys say?

 

[MustangDX]

i think im gonna go along with the cycle as is and keep doses reasonable and in check
a lil dab will do!
pct wise..
cut eq 2 weeks prior to test... then start pct? what do you guys suggest considering i got clomid,hcg, and letro

i hear mixed opinions on when to run hcg... what do you guys say?

Why do you keep asking questions when you don't even pay attention to the answers? All these AAS vets are trying to give you some sound advice and your not even listening. Your proposed cycle is ignorant and hazardous to your health but I guess your gonna have to learn the hard way...

 

[george chryss]

sorry mustand if i rattled your cage a lil... didnt mean to seem like a prick thats not listening to anything... i read all articles and replies carefully
you say its hazzardous and what not ..thats fine but an explanation would be much more constructive
i have my group of ppl telling me one thing..and some others on here saying other things...
im just trying to put the peices together and make a sound descision on my own
aslong as i keep the doses low and in check i dont see how its dangerous... unless you can point out a few things
thanks

 

[george chryss]

i was just asking should i run some Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) mid cycle..and then again 3 weeks post along with the clomid?
and letro as needed throughout?
thats what ive been told.... but its all depending how i feel and if i get any rebound during or after

 

[kaname]

Wanted to correct something I wrote. Since this post has been up for so long I didn't want to do a sneak edit. I realized when I was answering someone's question today that I wrote the wrong info here by mistake. The numbers wrote at bottom are for 1000mg / wk, not 400mg. Two weeks for 400mg would be the correct answer to the original question, same reasoning just different numbers on everything. Anywhoozle that is all....

If you are going to run EQ with the test which some do on their first cycle then you need to stop the EQ two weeks prior to stopping the test. Drop the tbol from the cycle as well as the win. If you are stubborn and just want to run multiple substances for your first cycle then either do tbol or EQ but not both and don't add the win.

If you choose to run Tbol instead of the EQ then you would not be running it for 8 weeks. It will be shorter and I'm going to leave you to figure out how much shorter.

post cycle therapy (pct) would start based on the half life of the ester you are running. For cyp you would estimate 7 days. So to remove enough of it from your system before starting post cycle therapy (pct) you would wait at least 2 weeks (3 ideal to be under 200) from your last pin before starting post cycle therapy (pct). See info regarding this here: http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/618782-more-more-failed-post cycle therapy (pct)s.html