Cycle?

slicli

slicli

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I have been on cyp @ 200mgs/week for the last 10 weeks for hrt and my boys a pretty small already....
some quick history:
1995 - BAD motorcycle accident, crushed right hip and pelvis. massive surgery.
1995 - 2001 very unusual moods and body changes.
2002 - blood test revealed test @ 170 and thus began my education in Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) and began hrt

i want to do this cycle and see if i can recover before commiting to lifetime hrt.


here are my stats:
33yo
5'7"
175lbs
10%bf
responded very well to 250mg's cyp/week
not prone to gyno
have been on ~200mg's cyp/week for the last 10 weeks...hrt

How does this look for a first real cycle to keep 20lbs muscle w/<2%bf gain with the following nutrution:
4000 cals a day
~450gm protein a day from real food
~300gm carbs from natural simple and complex carbs w/at least 30gm dietary fiber.
~100gm fat from olive oil, walnuts, flax oil etc
1.75 - 2 gal of water a day
tons of whole uncooked veggies and fruit
my motto is steaks before shakes....

Prop/eod @100mg's ~400mg/week (Weeks 1-4)
Cyp @ 500mg's/week (Weeks 1-12)
Eq @ 400mg's/week (Weeks 1-12)
Fina @ 250mg's/ed (Weeks 10-15)
HGH @ 4iu/ed (Year round)
adex on hand
proscar on hand
tylers detox
ala r

Where and how could i work the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) in mid cycle?

Postcycle with Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and nolva like this:

HCG
Week 15 - 3000 iu
5 days later - 3000 iu
5 days later - 3000 iu
5 days later - 1500 iu
6 days later - 1500 iu

Nolva
Week 17 40mg/ed
Week 18 40mg/ed
Week 19 20mg/ed
Week 20 20mg/ed
Week 12 20mg/ed


as i said before, the doc's think my boys were damaged in the accident, so i would like to do this cycle and come off correctly and see if i recover.
 
Sounds like way too much gear to me.
Don't need the prop, your levels are already up from your 10 weeks on 200 cyp.
Why not just do a test only cycle of about 500/wk of cyp? That's what I did for my first "real" cycle after HRT; great gains, minimal sides.
 
thanks doc, i have really struggled with adding more gear but i decided to go for it. I agree about the prop and will drop it. I would really like to try a stack but would willingly reconsider in light of solid opinions and evidience.

I did ~350mg cyp for 16 weeks last year and got good gains but i didnt have Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and i hated the clomid, the tracers were mad, so i only did 10 days of post cycle therapy (pct) and lost 50% of gains.

Should i reduce the fina and eq amounts or drop them...or swap them?

thanks
 
First things first you most likely will not be able to put on 20lbs of lean body mass and or maintain 2% BF at the same time. If you want to put on only LBM with minimal fat gain then your weight gains will not be very big 10 lbs max maybe, everyone is different. If that is the route u wanna go those carbs need to come down to at the most 200g IMO. Yes too much gear for 1st cycle also. Drop the prop (hehehe it rhymes) Run 500mg of Test per week run the tren OMG way too much tren!!!! Run tren 75 mg Ed. Here something like this

Week 1-15 Test 500mg/week
Week 10-15 Fina 75 mg ED
Week 18-20 Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 5000 IU every 3-4 days First week 3000 Iu every 3-4 days 2nd week then 1500 iu every 3-4 days 3 rd week
Week 18-22 Nolva 40mg ED first 2 weeks then 20mg ED last 3 weeks.

You might want to consider using some clomid also with your post cycle therapy (pct). With the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) you can either run it in your post cycle therapy (pct) or through out the whole cycle. One more thing you won't want to start post cycle therapy (pct) until 2 weeks after your last shot. Back to the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 500 IU;s every 3-4 days for prevention through entire cycle or what you got there looks good with you post cycle therapy (pct). Don;t run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) any longer than 3 weeks IN post cycle therapy (pct).
 
Hey guys,
I can go with the added Fina. But aren't the post cycle therapy (pct) doses of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) a little high?
 
oops You are right there it should be 1500 IU's for 2 weeks every 3-4 days then down to 500ius every 3-4 days for the last week
 
How about this:

Cyp @ 500mg's/week (Weeks 1-12)
Eq @ 200mg's/week (Weeks 1-12)
Fina @ 228mg's/week or 3 days a week @ 76mg (Weeks 10-15)
HCG @ 500iu/week (Weeks 1-15)

Post Cycle Therapy
HCG
Week 15 - 3000 iu
5 days later - 3000 iu
5 days later - 1500 iu
6 days later - 1500 iu
I thought that you start Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) in your last week to get the boys to size and start the clomid/novla 2 weeks after the last cyp shot?
Nolva
Week 17 40mg/ed
Week 18 40mg/ed
Week 19 20mg/ed
Week 20 20mg/ed
Week 12 20mg/ed
 
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I think a test only at 500mg is a good cycle, then add some eq, save the fina for you thrid or forth cycle.

If you don't like clomid try nolva, cause Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) only post cycle isn't going to do it.

JohnnyB
 
I'm with buffdoc & JohnnyB..................500 mg/week of Test for 8-10 weeks is all you need to do for your first cycle.
 
well crap, i did between 350-400mg/week for 20 weeks last year...i really didnt call it a cycle cause i just really pushed the enelope of hrt.
 
slicli said:
well crap, i did between 350-400mg/week for 20 weeks last year...i really didnt call it a cycle cause i just really pushed the enelope of Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT).
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Don't fool yourself..........there are lots of us here on lifetime HRT and 350-400 mg/week is NOT anywhere close to a HRT dose. You were on an extended cycle on those doses.
 
that was my point exactly stonecold....

thats why i am making a case to do a bigger cycle then 500mg/week of cyp. i know i dont need anyones approval, but consider it retarded not to take solid advice.

i didnt want to get into this but will anyway, i havent been on cyp for the last 10-12 weeks, i have been on 5% androgel at 3 packs a day...and i honestly think i have been getting WAY WAY better absorbtion then the 10% max/packet (which would be ~5mg of prop) they claim, i honestly believe that im getting more like 80% per packet which equates to....:

40mgs prop/packet/day X 3 packs a day or
120mgs prop/ed x 7 days a week or
840mgs prop a week.....

i say this cause my boys have been tiny for 8 weeks and i shot 200mgs cyp last monday and stopped the gel sat and i am started getting big bumps yesterday.....

damn got a meeting, bbl

btw, thanks for the replies and patients
 
Yeah, i guess i am...thanks johnnyb. i will add the eq, so it will look like this:

Cyp @ 500mg's/week (Weeks 1-12)
Eq @ 200mg's/week (Weeks 1-12)
HGH @ 4iu/ed in an am/pm split
slin @ 4 iu/ed in an am/pm split
HCG @ 500iu/week (Weeks 1-15)

Post Cycle Therapy
HCG
Week 15 - 3000 iu
5 days later - 3000 iu
5 days later - 1500 iu
6 days later - 1500 iu

Nolva
Week 17 40mg/ed
Week 18 40mg/ed
Week 19 20mg/ed
Week 20 20mg/ed
Week 12 20mg/ed
 
slicli said:
Yeah, i guess i am...thanks johnnyb. i will add the eq, so it will look like this:

Cyp @ 500mg's/week (Weeks 1-12)
Eq @ 200mg's/week (Weeks 1-12)
HGH @ 4iu/ed in an am/pm split
slin @ 4 iu/ed in an am/pm split
HCG @ 500iu/week (Weeks 1-15)

Post Cycle Therapy
HCG
Week 15 - 3000 iu
5 days later - 3000 iu
5 days later - 1500 iu
6 days later - 1500 iu

Nolva
Week 17 40mg/ed
Week 18 40mg/ed
Week 19 20mg/ed
Week 20 20mg/ed
Week 12 20mg/ed
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If you're only gonna do 200 mg/week of EQ ...you might as well not do it at all. You will want to run a MINIMIUM of 400 mg/week to see anything.

Aslso, what's up with your post cycle therapy (pct), not starting Nolva till week 17 ???....:confused:
 
hey stone, i will bump the eq to 400mg/week and good eye! i have extended the cyp and eq to 15 weeks as my first revision of the cycle had me stop cyp and eq at week 12 and run fina 12-15...

how's this look?

Cyp @ 500mg's/week (Weeks 1-15)
Eq @ 400mg's/week (Weeks 1-15)
HGH @ 4iu/ed in an am/pm split
slin @ 4 iu/ed in an am/pm split
HCG @ 500iu/week (Weeks 1-14)

Post Cycle Therapy
HCG
Week 15 - 3000 iu
5 days later - 3000 iu
5 days later - 1500 iu
6 days later - 1500 iu

Nolva
Week 17 40mg/ed
Week 18 40mg/ed
Week 19 20mg/ed
Week 20 20mg/ed
Week 12 20mg/ed
 
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