day 5 of clomid and aromasin. Still no changes.

[John_Lennon]

Hello people,

This is my first post here so let me introduce myself. I'm a 19 year old guy from Holland and I've been feeling depressed for a long long time. I actually started reading about testosterone about a year ago (or more) and since then I became more and more obsessed with it. The more I read about testosterone the more I got the feeling like there must be something wrong with me. I was already feeling very bad about my body because I'm very tall and skinny and feel ugly overall. The more I read into it the more I thought that maybe most of my problems are caused by lower than average testosterone levels and probably elevated estrogen levels. My testosterone level (total) is about 475 ng/dl I've never measured estrogen levels... No doctor even tried to help me out with this issue and they all tell me I just have BDD. I know I have a slight version of BDD mainly about my body proportion, but it's not like the problem isn't there.. I DO in fact have incredibly wide hips for a man. Combine that with girly wrists and a small ribcage and you'll understand why I'm unhappy being in the body that I'm in. I also have high bodyfat levels for someone so skinny as me. On top of that I have been very depressed about the smallest things back in my life, I've always felt insecure and anxious, my shoulders make crackling sounds (especially after training it can become painfull) and my back hurts like hell every single day... whenever I pull my shoulders back my spine makes cracky noises and my back/neck always feels tense. On top of that I get no morning erections and my ejeculation is pretty weak. Well that's why.

Now since last friday I started taking 12.5 mg EOD of Clomid and 6.25 mg of Aromasin. I'm not feeling anything yet and I find that to be very strange. Do I have to be more patient or is there a reason my balls don't respond to the Clomid? The first thing I expected to happen was morning wood and maybe some testicle growth and especially more ejaculation volume but NOTHING has changed in the last days. My ejaculation was even less than normal today! Could it be that I'm primary hypgonadal or am I just being impatient? I'm starting to worry about my testicles right now because they don't seem to respond. I'm almost positive that the stuff I got is real so let's assume it is then what could be the problem?

 

[3J]

ok..

what is your weight and height


your test levels are not low my friend... its very normal for test levels to flux... also, im guessing based on your description of your body that your under eating.. poor nutrition will put your test levels in the gutter..

i think a correct balanced nutrition plan and training routine would take your test levels up much higher... you should consider doing all that before you start using clomid.. clomid isn't the answer here.. your not hypogonadal

 

[Alpin]

475 ng/dl is not low...
Get a sleep study done.

 

[3J]

yes.. sleep apnea would also cause your test levels to drop.. do you snore loudly?? gasp for breath?? you do have someone who can watch you at night to see if that happens?

a sleep study is not a bad idea at all

 

[Alpin]

Top TRT endos say many guys with Low T also have sleep apnea. Saw it on youtube.

 

[John_Lennon]

Hey guys, thanks for replying. Well.. I had three tests done (ALL in the early morning when test is supposebly high..). first was 16.6 nmol/l then it was 17 then it was 16. that means I'm probably not fluctuating that much and my test is like 500 ng/dl AT BEST during the day and declining until I go to bed.. I'm 19 come on guys.. this can't be right. Look at this: medguidance.com/thread/Normal-Testosterone-Levels.html Look... I just have a very big issue with this. I want normal T levels to help me in the gym. My build doesn't help me look aestetic and my body also gains fat very easily and muscle very hardly. I'm fucking screwed wich is the reason I want to at least try and save my body from more feminisation. I snore by the way but very rarely and my parents say the only hear me snore when I've been out late drinking (maybe the alcohol). But let's assume my test is o.k. I still don't get why the clomid doesn't work...? Anybody else had this or is it just that it's unnotiveable because my levels are already o.k.?

 

[halfwit]

Going with 3J on this. You need good food, and lots of it. It's a proven fact that if you tell yourself everyday that you suck or have some glaring deficiency, you will indeed start to believe it. The big difference between winners and losers is as simple as the frame of mind. 100% serious about this.

Keep in mind too, testosterone can fluctuate by up to 40% throughout the day - getting a panel first thing in the morning after a good night's sleep and a diet with plenty of healthy fats will give you the most accurate results.

Even guys with test values in the thousands still have to bust their asses EVERY DAY to reach those goals they set; for the average Joe it's certainly no different and completely possible.

My .02c

 

[3J]

still have not told us your weight and height

 

[Alpin]

12.5 mg eod is a mickey mouse dose.
50 mg EOD is what has been studied for 4 months.
What was your LH/FSH level?

 

[John_Lennon]

Yeah well.. I made this dicision because I don't like the cards I've been dealt by nature. When I look at my past I just can't help but believe that I was just born to be a fuckin' beta-male.. THAT'S why I want to screw up this bullshit by adding clomid. My only problem is that it doesn't work. Could anybody explain to me why my balls produce less semen on clomid than off? Sorry for being so stubborn but after all I've read I just can't live with myself being a beta-male I got to transform more than just my appearance. I want to change the inside. When I looked at pictures of me growing up a while ago I almost cried because in puberty when I was a bit more chubby I honestly had EXACTLY the perfect body proportions for a woman except for the boobs (I had a little bit of a flabby chest though). Right now it's not that bad but I still look like a very sick man and I eat plenty. Really people you have no idea what I look like and how I feel.. I really feel like a transsexual or something (like.. male to more male).. just born in the wrong body type. I know I can change my body to a more manly looking one but I tried it before and all it gave me was fat gain (like 4 kg) and maybe 2kg muscle.. when I cut I lose it all together... half a year of training for NOTHING. It's just too damn hard when your body naturally just doesn't want to be a man! So any other options to fix this shit? fml.

 

[3J]

again.. we would like your height and weight

 

[John_Lennon]

View attachment 557887 This is my body and I hate it. You see what I mean now or do you think I'm overreacting? I honestly can't see how I can make THAT look aestetic.

 

[3J]

View attachment 557887 This is my body and I hate it. You see what I mean now or do you think I'm overreacting? I honestly can't see how I can make THAT look aestetic.

lol youre complaining about your body??? jesus people dont count their blessings..

i think you need to change your attitude.. the guy thats 100lbs heavier than you as a fat ass has a better attitude than you.. at least you can take your shirt off at the pool..

you sound like a cry baby to me.. looking for a reason to do something stupid because you think some magic pill will make you better

the truth is your diet sucks.. your training sucks or lack there of.. and you havn't really committed yourself to shit...

you want someone to hold your hand and say everything is going to magically be ok... it doesn't work that way


i dont usually get upset or harsh with people... its not in my nature.. but your giving me the poorest excuses..

get your diet in check.. get your training formed into a solid routine and make changes..

 

[3J]

the only thing thats feminine about you is your attitude.. i see a young man in that picture.. one with alot of potential who can go far with the right attitude, diet, and training routine

 

[3J]

i cant believe you actually called yourself chubby..

i started into lifting and dieting when i was 6'3 and 320lbs.. a whopping 35% bodyfat... WHATS YOUR FUCKING EXCUSE??

 

[Alpin]

Listen to 3J

 

[John_Lennon]

I know I'm not chubby anymore but I was. And I'm 6'3 also and I weight about 170 pounds with a bodyfat of like 18%. Yes, I have a bad attitude but that started after a year full of training, dieting and supplementing everyday while people still made fun of me for being skinny and girls where still hatin' on me for not having a sixpack even though I trained so much. So that's the reason of my body issue partly psychological, but hey.. people comment on it so it obviously must be true. I can tell myself that ALL these people are blind but the reality is that they see what I see too. I also started to look more at my body proportions and I noticed my wide hips everytime after training. I looked in the mirror when I was still buffed from training and I saw a good looking body but the upper body just didn't match the lower body. I know that it's possible to change my proportions (or at least create the illusion of aestetics) but not like this. I didn't even get stronger everytime I went to the gym and my body became more and more drained. I also have good reasons to believe my T is not optimal: Anxiety, depression (even before I ever started to hate my body so much), cracking joints, lower back pain, no morning wood (maybe like once a week), weak ejaculation (It's fuckin humiliating), low energy, memory problems, etc.

 

[John_Lennon]

ignore this message, don't know how to delete this..

 

[John_Lennon]

A final thing to consider.. I'm 500 ng/dl at 19. How bad will it be when I'm 50. I'd hate to be old getting on TRT and say: "Wow I finally feel good once in my life." What waste of time would that be? So yeah I'm looking for a magic pill, but that's not weird if you naturally have a tendency to get crazy once in a while and depressed at most times.

 

[ezed413]

A final thing to consider.. I'm 500 ng/dl at 19. How bad will it be when I'm 50. I'd hate to be old getting on TRT and say: "Wow I finally feel good once in my life." What waste of time would that be? So yeah I'm looking for a magic pill, but that's not weird if you naturally have a tendency to get crazy once in a while and depressed at most times.

Dude, don't worry about what it will be like at 50, just enjoy today. I was like you always looking ahead, and you know what, I missed a lot of today's. 50 ain't bad. I'm there and past. 500 ng/dl might be perfectly normal for you. Really that is not that bad of a number. You might find like me, that by jacking up your T, you're going to feel like superman. I got mine up to 1000, and really didn't feel that different. So give yourself time and try to go natural, and do like they say. Eat right and train hard. Really, you haven't even stopped growing!

Clomid got my t up from 350 to 750 in three weeks. But I didn't feel any different, so I don't know what your expecting.

I really don't think you're a candidate for TRT!