dbol / deca / test - my 1st cycle

ShakeR

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Hey everybody. Im going to start my first cycle around summer. Im 20, 186cm and around 80kg, started training 4 years ago.
I have 4 workouts a week. Still working on my diet (160g of protein a day is my minimum, ive never counted the ch, fats, etc).

So here is my juice-plan (deca, test-e, dbol):

week 1: 400 mg deca ; 500 mg test ; 50 mg dbol
week 2: 400 mg deca ; 500 mg test ; 50 mg dbol
week 3: 400 mg deca ; 500 mg test ; 50 mg dbol
week 4: 400 mg deca ; 500 mg test ; 50 mg dbol
week 5: 400 mg deca ; 500 mg test ; 50 mg dbol
week 6: 400 mg deca ; 500 mg test ; 50 mg dbol
week 7: 400 mg deca ; 500 mg test
week 8: 400 mg deca ; 500 mg test
pct: nolva ; clomid

dbol - only on workout-days (4 times a week)

What do you think about it? First I wanted to go oral-only, but hell Ill take the needles instead (my liver is a bit more important).

Anything to add, or modify? All the help and comment appricietad.

I also have a non-steroid nor bodybuilding related question: I always had puffy nipples. Okay I always had a little ammount of fat on me, thats right, but I am pretty skinny atm, and still. It looks like girl nipples. Can that be gyno? My skin is fucking smooth and all, girls never mentioned it as a problem, but just damn, I want to get rid of it. I also find it hard to build mass on my chest.. That is the worst part of my body. :destroy:

So thanks, waiting for reply!
 
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Just run the test for your first cycle. You will have no way to islolate and combat sides with 3 compounds mixed together. You need more research on AI/SERMs and post cycle therapy (pct) or you will have serious man tits. You will see great results on 500mg test per week. However at 20 years old you have no need for steroids because it is unlikely you have reached your natural potential also you should be at your peak natural HGH and test production, so essentially you are just wanting a short cut. This will likely have you losing most of your gains anyway after the cycle. Just my opinion, I have been there bro.
 
I seriously doubt you meet any of the 4 major prerequisites listed below;

What appears below was developed by a number of our good friends at www.anabolicfitness.com the link is Veteran Consensus Statement on the age of initiation

Veteran Consensus Statement on the age of initiation of Anabolic use.


Anabolic steroids promote strength gain, muscle synthesis, and increased metabolic capacity. Their responsible, moderate use improves athletic performance, cosmetic appearance, and perceived social opportunity and self-esteem. However, anabolics achieve their effects by perturbing the human endocrine system, a complex feedback mechanism of glands and organs that are, in healthy and youthful persons, in an exquisite state of natural balance. Compounds like anabolic steroids that alter this balance are appropriate for use only by mature, well-trained athletes who understand these drugs, their risks and their benefits. Except in the case of prospective users of clear promise for national or international ranking in a sport, realistically hopeful for the kinds of benefits such ranking confers, the following should be characteristic of anyone, of any age, prior to the addition of anabolic steroids to a training regime:


1. PHYSICAL MATURITY. Anabolics can, through either direct or indirect effects, cause premature closure of the epiphyseal plates (growth plates) at the end of bone, an irreversible effect that may result in permanently shorter stature than the athlete would otherwise achieve. Therefore, the athlete should have reached full physical stature and maturity of the skeleton before contemplating anabolic use. In most cases, full stature is not reached until the very late teens and, in many cases, development of both long skeletal bones and joint assemblies (hips and shoulders) continues into the early 20's, development of the larynx (voicebox) into the mid-20’s.


2. SIGNIFICANT MATURE MUSCULARITY. Anabolics have poor effect, or transitory effect, on athletes in mediocre condition; in addition, their tendency to boost muscle strength ahead of the strength of supporting tendons and ligaments can lead to debilitating injury in athletes without substantial prior training. Therefore, the athlete should have accumulated a significant amount of mature muscle mass and tendon strength through a dedicated program of resistance training prior to beginning anabolic use. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in training efficiency and effects, a minimum of 3 years, perhaps as many as 7, of dedicated weight training is required to achieve this necessary physical foundation, on which anabolics can be used safely and to best effect.


3. THOROUGH KNOWLEDGE. Anabolics are not a substitute for proper technique or applied knowledge of the basics of exercise physiology. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have a very thorough and detailed knowledge of lifting technique, dietary practice, recuperative processes, and hormonal and nonhormonal supplementation, and should if possible prepare for the use of anabolics under the guidance of a trusted mentor who has mastered these issues. In particular, the athlete should have an excellent understanding of the uses, effects, and risk profiles of anabolics, and should be thoroughly conversant with the kinds of ancillary agents that minimize side-effects and speed post-cycle recovery. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in the pace at which this knowledge is acquired, at least a year of arduous study and reading is necessary to understand anabolics and post-cycle recovery, and at least 4 years of practice is required to establish the requisite knowledge base of lifting technique, recuperation, and diet.


4. PSYCHOLOGICAL MATURITY. Anabolic steroids can have marked effect on mood and disposition, either during the cycle of active use, or its aftermath. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have the psychological health and maturity that will enable him or her to use anabolics with minimal social, psychological, and legal risk to both him/herself and his/her network of partners and collaborators. In addition, the athlete should be firm enough in purpose and balanced enough in approach to understand not only how and when to initiate use of anabolics, but how and when to curtail or abandon use safely should that need arise.


The use of anabolic steroids is unwise for persons who have not satisfied these prerequisites, though exceptions may be made in cases of very unusual athletic promise. While not a function of mere calendar age per se, it is unarguable that, on average, the likelihood that these conditions will have been met increases as the age of the prospective anabolic user increases.


For the reasons adduced above, the following statement of consensus opinion is made:

Allowing for substantial individual variability, and with the exception of cases of truly outstanding athletic promise, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should be socially and physically mature, psychologically healthy, and should have completed 4 to 7 years of dedicated, mentored training in strength/endurance athletics and study in lifting technique, dietary practices, recuperation skills and supplementation. In most cases, the athlete will have reached the age of 21 before these prerequisites are in place, recognizing that many athletes will not have achieved the necessary experience, physical maturity, and psychic balance until their mid-20's or even later
 
1badmofo, stonecoldnto: thanks for the comments. I did read online and in books about steroids (a lot), using them, about side effects, pct, almost everything. And I wrote down my thoughts based on my deficient (guess) knowledge... Yeah, I am excited, but it isnt all about this shortcut stuff.. I mean ive started working out when I was 16, and I wasnt BSing like most of the young kids. I really wanted (want?) to be a bodybuilder, but im not really gaining mass anymore. Im eating more and more, quality food, but eh. Doing everything I can in the gym.. And this letdown sucks big time.. I was never the best anything, well I never really liked any sports, but bbuilding came. And got me.. Maybe I am the impatient one, idk.

Could you please write down what are the actual problems with this cycle? Ive read a lot of alike ones online. And with the PCT? At least I have one.. D;

Edit: im reading the sutt stonecold linked, interesting
 
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Okay people, Im going to be the smarter one now. Ill do an only testo-e cycle around summer, my 2nd cycle will be dbol with test, 3rd will be the one mentioned in my first post. Is it a better plan?
 
you need a few more years in the gym and your DIET is the MOST importents aspect of training and juicing imo fix your diet and when your ready 2 start a cycle id suggest bumping up your test intake to 750 mg a week and keep anti E"z on hand ...you first cycle will always be the best IMO and you should take FULL advantage of your VIRGIN muscle receptors ... i know otheres may have their opinions
 
when your ready 2 start a cycle id suggest bumping up your test intake to 750 mg a week and keep anti E"z on hand ...you first cycle will always be the best IMO and you should take FULL advantage of your VIRGIN muscle receptors ... i know otheres may have their opinions

750mg/week is crazy for a first cycle.....I just say where you told Gator he was on too much gear and he was taking 750mg/week of Sust and 300mg/wek of Suspension and he's been cycling forever.

You need to re-evaluate your thinking.....lol

Oh and BTW, the whole "virgin receptor" thing is just an old internet myth.....receptors die off and are replaced on a daily basis.
 
at your age and weight steroids will most likely only have a transitory effect on you, as you need to know how to gain and maintain mass without the gear in order to gain and maintain mass with the gear. imo you are too young as well, theres no rush here the gear will be there when you are ready.
 
you need a few more years in the gym and your DIET is the MOST importents aspect of training and juicing imo fix your diet and when your ready 2 start a cycle id suggest bumping up your test intake to 750 mg a week and keep anti E"z on hand ...you first cycle will always be the best IMO and you should take FULL advantage of your VIRGIN muscle receptors ... i know otheres may have their opinions

750mg wk for a 1st cycle??? Ummm.... no, fraid not.
 
bro i did a test-e only cycle for 12 weeks and fucking loved it. Trust these guys they know what their talking about. dont be dumb with this shit. and DIET IS EVERYTHING!!!
 
Hey everybody. Im going to start my first cycle around summer. Im 20, 186cm and around 80kg, started training 4 years ago.
I have 4 workouts a week. Still working on my diet (160g of protein a day is my minimum, ive never counted the ch, fats, etc).

So here is my juice-plan (deca, test-e, dbol):



What do you think about it? First I wanted to go oral-only, but hell Ill take the needles instead (my liver is a bit more important).

Anything to add, or modify? All the help and comment appricietad.

I also have a non-steroid nor bodybuilding related question: I always had puffy nipples. Okay I always had a little ammount of fat on me, thats right, but I am pretty skinny atm, and still. It looks like girl nipples. Can that be gyno? My skin is fucking smooth and all, girls never mentioned it as a problem, but just damn, I want to get rid of it. I also find it hard to build mass on my chest.. That is the worst part of my body. :destroy:

So thanks, waiting for reply!

I must say that i agree with all the advice given. if you are willing to wait a few years and just run Creatin and BCAA's a good multi and keep eating like you are you should gain good solid muscle. one thing to remember is that this is a lifestyle and you need to be in it for the long run. do not abuse your body and you will be able to do all the things you want to in life.

That said if you are still going to do a cycle a true cycle is 10 weeks and you want to run Sustnon 250. Sus is a bit more expensive but will put real muscle not water weight. you don't want to be puffy and then lose most of your gains when you are done with your cycle .:baby:
 
I agree with others, you're too young and your height and weight ratio is ok. Obviously you have problem with the bodyshape. First of all if you have gyno or puffy niplles and you're body is sensitive to that then you have higher risk of gyno during your cycle. Second, your cycle is wrong. Once again I think you shouldn't touch the stuff yet but if you insist on being young and stupid and impatient than do something very mild just to kill your curiousty (e.g. 250 a week test-e, primo only etc.).

Try doing cardio intensive stuff along with gym stuff, I see young kids like you coming to kickboxing sweating like crazy and doing mild gym workout other days and they all end up with nice steroidfree bodies, not big like a bodybuilder but still......

You can't build a palace without doing a solid base first so be patient.
 
They're right bud, you need to only do one steroid at a time so when you get your sides(minimal or max.) you know what individual steroid is reacting with your body this way. Test. is a good starter. Everything has already been sumed up, so good luck bro.
 
I am thinking about starting a cycle and wondering if the following would be a good stack:

Deca:
week 1-3: 200mg/deca once a week
week 4-7: 400mg/deca once a week
week 8-10: 200 mg/deca once a week

Test:
week 1-10: 500mg/test once a week

Dbol:
week 1-5: 30mg/dbol daily
(dbol is a 100 count bottle and each pill is 10mg)

Post cycle:
nolvadex and hcg

I work out 5 days a week, been lifting since high school and think I finally want to try a cycle. I have never done a cycle before so help would be great. I am 26, I weigh about 230 with 18%bf, would like to pack on about 20-30 lbs of muscle and then a couple months after my cycle do primobolan and winistrol to cut down on bodyfat. I eat about 5 small meals a day and try to consume about 450-600 grams a protein a day. Figure 2g/protein per pound.
 
Okay people, Im going to be the smarter one now. Ill do an only testo-e cycle around summer, my 2nd cycle will be dbol with test, 3rd will be the one mentioned in my first post. Is it a better plan?
yes indeed it will,alot smarter decision,and work on your diet and workouts as well,esp your diet!!
 
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