Dbol, Deca, Test Prop And Winny

[Rocky143s]

Hello Friends,

My Stat:-
Age 29 Height 6.2'' weight 218 pounds, 18%bf

Training Exp: more than 6 yrs

Cycle history:
8 weeks Dbol only,
8 weeks Andriol Testo cap and Deca
8 weeks test prop and clen
10 weeks Test E, EQ
Last was Anavar which was not get completed because I move to other city. It was only 25 days at 20mg ED

Now I want to get some muscle mass and drop to 10% bf or more

Please advice on this

Weeks
1-2 Dbol 50mg ED
1-6 Test E 500mg/wk
6-12 Test Prop 100mg/EOD
1-12 Deca 100mg/wk (split into two dose)
8-12 Winny 50mg/ED (split AM/PM)

PCT: Nolvadex, Clomid and HCG in hand from week 14 And will be take 10 mg EOD of Nolvadex during cycle to keep myself from gyno

I put low dose of Deca just to support other component

Diet is back in check (like I said I had to move completely to other city and that's the reason got too much bf%)

What supplementation I should take while on this cycle?

So, tell me how it look like and what you guys think about it, and if there is something to be upgrade or alteration to this cycle for best result and also keep myself safe side from too much gears. And If it's not good one than which one would be best if any of you guys can make one for me for supporting my goal

Any help would be so much helpful
Thank you in advance Bro's

 

[bigben66]

Hi there...

First of all, that's a pretty shocking cycle history... but hey it's done, I'm sure you'll learn from it!

Ok, back to the planned cycle...

Why Winny? - Are you competing?

Most people use Deca for a bulking cycle which begs the question why you want to end a Deca cycle with Winny?

 

[bigben66]

You also used those immortal words 'diet is in check'

Which in the greater scheme of things - means fuck all to us guys...

Are you running a surplus or a deficit?

No disrespect bro.... but your goals are unrealistic.... you want to gain mass and lose bodyfat (known as a recomp) - a very hard thing to do....

If I was you, I'd prioritise what exactly you are after... which can be dependant on vacations, long term goals etc....

If you wish to bulk, go for a longer Deca cycle with Test Enanthate - stretch it to 16 weeks perhaps - and tie this in with a calorific surplus.

Or if you wish to cut, stick with Test Prop, perhaps Mast Prop and a Var finisher - and run your calories just under maintenance...

But you first of all need to get your head out of the clouds if you think that taking a few compounds will make you lean and more muscular at the same time...

Just my thoughts,

BigBen

 

[.Vision.]

We appreciate you posting your last cycle history, but at this moment it's pretty irrelevant all that information considering the goal that you have in mind..

I would suggest dialing in on your macros, I would focus more on your diet if your goal is to achieve 10%...

You are going to be very disappointed if you put most of your faith into your compounds to help assist you with achieving your goal...

If you plan on utilizing AAS regardless, then I would suggest a testosterone only cycle.. ( testosterone as a stand alone can yield excellent results with fat burning properties )

If someone can not make drastic changes/ results with testosterone only cycles then they're not ready for additional compounds (or aas period).. And if someone truly has their diet in check then they can dictate and yield drastic results by merely fluctuating carbohydrates or calories in either direction depending on their goal...

I'm not insinuating that you do not know how to properly eat or structure a diet pertaining to your goal, I'm simply emphasizing on the fact that diet will be the ultimate decider on which way you go from here on out..

I would focus on learning how your body responds by simple adjustments in your diet as well as listening and learning how your body responds to fluctuations with testosterone, and learn how both testosterone and your diet will work together for you... take this opportunity to learn and realize where your sensitive at certain dosages as well as your sensitivity to certain foods, learn and listen how your body reacts with slight adjustments...

You can also add some t4, as it is nowhere near as harsh as the already converted t3.... It could help provide that slight extra added advantage with fat loss..

1-12 test cyp 500mgs
1-12 adex 0.5 ED or EOD
1-12 proviron 50mgs ED ( this will help free up bound testosterone and keep you dry)

14 PCT
Clomid 100/50/50
Tamoxifen 60/60/40/40/20

( you could incorporate HCG the first week of your cycle up until your last injection, however it's not entirely necessary, but I could assist with firing and signaling within your HTPA)

Incorporate more cardio and increase the volume and intensity with your lifting routine, if you heed this advice then there is no reason that you can not reached 10%, keeping it and maintaining it...

This is simply just my suggestions.. Others will chime in.. Good luck brother

 

[Rocky143s]

You also used those immortal words 'diet is in check'

Which in the greater scheme of things - means fuck all to us guys...

Are you running a surplus or a deficit?

No disrespect bro.... but your goals are unrealistic.... you want to gain mass and lose bodyfat (known as a recomp) - a very hard thing to do....

If I was you, I'd prioritise what exactly you are after... which can be dependant on vacations, long term goals etc....

If you wish to bulk, go for a longer Deca cycle with Test Enanthate - stretch it to 16 weeks perhaps - and tie this in with a calorific surplus.

Or if you wish to cut, stick with Test Prop, perhaps Mast Prop and a Var finisher - and run your calories just under maintenance...

But you first of all need to get your head out of the clouds if you think that taking a few compounds will make you lean and more muscular at the same time...

Just my thoughts,

BigBen

I know friend that my old cycle was horrible. every one learn from mistakes
And BigBen I didn't said my diet is check I said "My diet is BACK in check" means it has bean not good but I am more paying attention to maintain

I know the cycle put here is not legit that's why I am here to get help bro.

 

[Rocky143s]

We appreciate you posting your last cycle history, but at this moment it's pretty irrelevant all that information considering the goal that you have in mind..

I would suggest dialing in on your macros, I would focus more on your diet if your goal is to achieve 10%...

You are going to be very disappointed if you put most of your faith into your compounds to help assist you with achieving your goal...

If you plan on utilizing AAS regardless, then I would suggest a testosterone only cycle.. ( testosterone as a stand alone can yield excellent results with fat burning properties )

If someone can not make drastic changes/ results with testosterone only cycles then they're not ready for additional compounds (or aas period).. And if someone truly has their diet in check then they can dictate and yield drastic results by merely fluctuating carbohydrates or calories in either direction depending on their goal...

I'm not insinuating that you do not know how to properly eat or structure a diet pertaining to your goal, I'm simply emphasizing on the fact that diet will be the ultimate decider on which way you go from here on out..

I would focus on learning how your body responds by simple adjustments in your diet as well as listening and learning how your body responds to fluctuations with testosterone, and learn how both testosterone and your diet will work together for you... take this opportunity to learn and realize where your sensitive at certain dosages as well as your sensitivity to certain foods, learn and listen how your body reacts with slight adjustments...

You can also add some t4, as it is nowhere near as harsh as the already converted t3.... It could help provide that slight extra added advantage with fat loss..

1-12 test cyp 500mgs
1-12 adex 0.5 ED or EOD
1-12 proviron 50mgs ED ( this will help free up bound testosterone and keep you dry)

14 PCT
Clomid 100/50/50
Tamoxifen 60/60/40/40/20

( you could incorporate HCG the first week of your cycle up until your last injection, however it's not entirely necessary, but I could assist with firing and signaling within your HTPA)

Incorporate more cardio and increase the volume and intensity with your lifting routine, if you heed this advice then there is no reason that you can not reached 10%, keeping it and maintaining it...

This is simply just my suggestions.. Others will chime in.. Good luck brother

Thank you Vision

 

[bigben66]

I know the cycle put here is not legit that's why I am here to get help bro.

I gave you advice bro, as did Vision...

If you wish to bulk, go for a longer Deca cycle with Test Enanthate - stretch it to 16 weeks perhaps - and tie this in with a calorific surplus.

Or if you wish to cut, stick with Test Prop, perhaps Mast Prop and a Var finisher - and run your calories just under maintenance...

There it is... in bold for ya.

But make no bones about it. the AAS are just the caveat - diet, training and rest are the key factors essential for results, the AAS is just the icing on the cake.

I hope you understood what I said.

To lose fat, you need to run a calorific deficit (below maintenance) - to gain muscle optimally, you need to be running a calorific surplus (above maintenance)...

You need to choose how you go... one or the other.

Simply taking Deca with Winny is NOT going to achieve the results you crave!

 

[Onk]

as I agree with what Bigben said, I'll add a few things:

1/ dbol for 2 weeks seems like a waste
2/ deca at 100mg/wk is virtually nothing.
3/ where is your AI? is that why you're using nolva for gyno rather than an AI?
4/ HCG doesn't belong in PCT

 

[Rocky143s]

I gave you advice bro, as did Vision...

If you wish to bulk, go for a longer Deca cycle with Test Enanthate - stretch it to 16 weeks perhaps - and tie this in with a calorific surplus.

Or if you wish to cut, stick with Test Prop, perhaps Mast Prop and a Var finisher - and run your calories just under maintenance...

There it is... in bold for ya.

But make no bones about it. the AAS are just the caveat - diet, training and rest are the key factors essential for results, the AAS is just the icing on the cake.

I hope you understood what I said.

To lose fat, you need to run a calorific deficit (below maintenance) - to gain muscle optimally, you need to be running a calorific surplus (above maintenance)...

You need to choose how you go... one or the other.

Simply taking Deca with Winny is NOT going to achieve the results you crave!

Okay, Thanks

 

[Rocky143s]

as I agree with what Bigben said, I'll add a few things:

1/ dbol for 2 weeks seems like a waste
2/ deca at 100mg/wk is virtually nothing.
3/ where is your AI? is that why you're using nolva for gyno rather than an AI?
4/ HCG doesn't belong in PCT

Yes, that's the reason I am going to run the Nolva.

 

[Rocky143s]

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[Rocky143s]

I gave you advice bro, as did Vision...

If you wish to bulk, go for a longer Deca cycle with Test Enanthate - stretch it to 16 weeks perhaps - and tie this in with a calorific surplus.

Or if you wish to cut, stick with Test Prop, perhaps Mast Prop and a Var finisher - and run your calories just under maintenance...

There it is... in bold for ya.

But make no bones about it. the AAS are just the caveat - diet, training and rest are the key factors essential for results, the AAS is just the icing on the cake.

I hope you understood what I said.


I do,
And tell me how about this?

Dbol 50mg ED for 4 weeks
Test P 100mg EOD for 5 weeks
Test E 500mg/wk for 12
Deca 200mg/wk for 12 weeks
Finishing with Var from week last 20 days at 50mg ED

 

[Rocky143s]

And also suggest for necessary supplements while on cycle just to get little extra edge.
I will go on calorie maintenance. Would that be alright?

 

[3J]

would you mind detailing your diet out for us rocky??

ill give it a look over and see if its in check

 

[bigben66]

I do,
And tell me how about this?

Dbol 50mg ED for 4 weeks
Test P 100mg EOD for 5 weeks
Test E 500mg/wk for 12
Deca 200mg/wk for 12 weeks
Finishing with Var from week last 20 days at 50mg ED

OK, I'll tell you about that!

200mg Deca is a medicinal dose for joint support - not a cycle.
Why are you switching Test esters mid cycle - when you aren't competing?
D'Bol and Deca on the same cycle = a lot of aromatisation - I hope you are expert at managing estradiol?

Like I said, you are throwing bulking and cutting compounds into a cycle - on the hope that you will add muscle and lose fat.

Not a great idea.

Either bulk - or cut.

I can't make it any clearer than that.

When you choose one. List up your diet.

It needs to be a deficit or a surplus - so adjust calories accordingly.

NOTE: Drugs will not do EVERYTHING for you, so don't throw bulkers and cutters at the equation and expect to get everything you desire.

Your diet will dictate results, the AAS will emphasise these results!

 

[3J]

well said ben