I'd stay with Anavar (var) personally, dbol and tren are counter productive imao, tbol and tren is a different story. You'll throw on quality lean muscle right off the rip with a test,tren, Anavar (var) . If you start with dbol, weeks 4-8 your going to be in turn just cutting the water/and alittle fat you gained on the dbol which=counter productivity comparably to running Anavar (var) instead.