There is no estimate?
Debating on running cycle after fighting depression
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There is no estimate?
a1951chevy
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Face palm your 21 with awesome test levels quit trying to take a short cut learn how to eat and lift then after 5 more years of that you'll have a badass base if your not a complete wimp.
Do your time man seriously gear isn't the be all end all you get what you put in.
Did you do a pct after you gained 20lbs on two prohormome cycles?
5'9" and 140 after two cycles then dropped 40 lbs? You sound like your trying to make AAS be the answer to your laziness and lack of commitment.
Just my opinion here not trying to start a bunch of crap but this smells like crap.
Do your time man seriously gear isn't the be all end all you get what you put in.
Did you do a pct after you gained 20lbs on two prohormome cycles?
5'9" and 140 after two cycles then dropped 40 lbs? You sound like your trying to make AAS be the answer to your laziness and lack of commitment.
Just my opinion here not trying to start a bunch of crap but this smells like crap.
Yeah I pct with clomid and novadex. And I was 185 had surgery and bad breakupthen dropped to 140.
And not trying to start anything. But I got a nice face, but I need a nicer body to be a fitness model. That is my 1st goal. Then go on to achieve an even better physique and win some shows go pro.
What about Jeff seid and zyzz they both cycled younger than me. Seid is making money I can only dream of probably.
halfwit
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There are far too many variables at play to give you a good estimate. It's a holiday weekend, so I'd give 3J some time to reply.
I think you'd be really disappointed to find out what these guys make as bodybuilding is one of the least paid sports today. That and Zyzz makes nothing, seeing as he's 6 feet under.
Don't fall into the trap of thinking that since there are guys that jumped into AAS young that it's safe and promises a career. Many of these guys have been groomed for the lifestyle starting at a very young age, and frankly have the genetics most can only dream of.
I'm not telling you to give up on your dreams, but I challenge you to look at images of your favorite bber in their early teens. I used to love posting images of a 14 year old Arnold, but I think the younger generation relates to other famous bodybuilders more.
Genetics > Diet > Sleep/healthy practices > Training > Drugs.
There are far too many variables at play to give you a good estimate. It's a holiday weekend, so I'd give 3J some time to reply.
I think you'd be really disappointed to find out what these guys make as bodybuilding is one of the least paid sports today. That and Zyzz makes nothing, seeing as he's 6 feet under.
Don't fall into the trap of thinking that since there are guys that jumped into AAS young that it's safe and promises a career. Many of these guys have been groomed for the lifestyle starting at a very young age, and frankly have the genetics most can only dream of.
I'm not telling you to give up on your dreams, but I challenge you to look at images of your favorite bber in their early teens. I used to love posting images of a 14 year old Arnold, but I think the younger generation relates to other famous bodybuilders more.
Genetics > Diet > Sleep/healthy practices > Training > Drugs.
That zyzz part made me chuckle honestly. But yeah most don't get paid a lot. But all you need to do is get some publicity and make some fans. Open clothing line and supplent line. Now your making good cash. While getting paid to get your picture and being sponsored.
Market watch says Jeff seid is worth $800,000. That's a lot to me I make 11 an hour lol.
Also I know what they look like in there teens but I wouldn't doubt it if they ran some kind of drug. Look at jay cutler at a young age. And Phil heath was not big at all he was a small basketball player. Few years later he is known as the "gift" and can't be beat.
I'm not trying to justify anything. That is just my opinion on them subjects
Destination230
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I will add my $0.02 to the discussion, specifically about the depression part. I am not clinically depressed, just floating along like an average guy blending into the crowd most of the time, but...... when I start a cycle.... that's when I am truly happy. I have been told that I "dance" in my car seat while playing my favorite tunes on the radio, and greet passers by with a smile and a "Good morning sir / ma'am".
For me, AAS=happiness.
How's that for a technical answer.
For me, AAS=happiness.
How's that for a technical answer.
Ill add another 2 cents...
I am clinically depressed and I have taken a whole host of SSRI and other drugs to try to deal with it, I hate them all... they make me a fat, impotent, carb eating zombie.
I had taken gear when I was 18 or so, maybe 5 or 6 winstrol only cycles (dont bust my balls, all I had to go on was bro science, this is pre internet) over the course of 2 years, looking back it was the same time i started to change behaviorally, no doubt because I shut down my T production.
After years off\on SSRI, I started reading up on T and its affect on mood... So I finally tried a test cycle about 2 years ago.... best anti-depressant Ive ever taken, and all the physical stuff is just a bonus.
It will never be prescribed to treat Depression, because big pharma and lobbyists have to much $$ invested in their SSRI pez dispensers.
I am clinically depressed and I have taken a whole host of SSRI and other drugs to try to deal with it, I hate them all... they make me a fat, impotent, carb eating zombie.
I had taken gear when I was 18 or so, maybe 5 or 6 winstrol only cycles (dont bust my balls, all I had to go on was bro science, this is pre internet) over the course of 2 years, looking back it was the same time i started to change behaviorally, no doubt because I shut down my T production.
After years off\on SSRI, I started reading up on T and its affect on mood... So I finally tried a test cycle about 2 years ago.... best anti-depressant Ive ever taken, and all the physical stuff is just a bonus.
It will never be prescribed to treat Depression, because big pharma and lobbyists have to much $$ invested in their SSRI pez dispensers.
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juced_porkchop
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you might need hrt though... even if h says no, some need higher end, some are ok on lower end. I would go see another 1-2 docs just for second opinions IMO.
having said that I feel a first real cycle of teste for 12-14 weeks with an AI during and PCT would be ok. (after age 25!) you will likely feel great on it as i notice on higher test i feel a bit better. but i would accept that for about a mont of pct and maybe a month after that you might not feel soo great while recovering.
for aas i would deff avoi tren, even if this was your 8th cycle IMO
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juced_porkchop
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hes a stupid doc ( no offense) so your telling me you have a life issue to come to grips with and deal with and hes gonna give you a pill to cover it up or chemically force something in you? if you had NO reason to be depressed then MAYBE i would look at a pill... not when you clearly have something to deal with.... but course the medical pharma books are made in a way if XXX feels or has XXX then you give them this pill......
avoid it buddy, and for the transition look into and google "kava kava" its safe and effective and no addition or withdrawals.
oldmusclemike
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You're going to do what you want to do, we know this and you know this. I get the feeling you're looking for someone to give you a real good reason not to.
Here's two:
1. You're 21, and if you lost a QUARTER of your body weight that quickly, something with your diet is very, VERY wrong. You haven't spent nearly enough time in the gym to build up your base, nor develop enough of a routine to really take advantage. Frankly, you'd likely be wasting your money.
2. AAS amplifies emotions. If you're sad, you'll get VERY sad; angry? Hulk rage time. I totally understand the need to get out of a dark place, but I promise that hormones (unless you're truly hypogonadal) are NOT the answer.
I would take the time to keep building yourself back up. Make those connective tissues nice and strong - you don't want to wreck your wrist again, which could happen if you're suddenly pushing vastly more weight.
As to your Mr O comment, what age do you think these guys are competing seriously at? You are aware that many of them are in their FORTIES right? It takes a very long time to create dense, well-developed muscle structure, not something that happens in two years of being on AAS. Contrary to whatever Mr Lloyd says on his channel.
My .02c
This is so right on OP. All of what halfwit said all of the details. WE could keep talking and you can get all the advice in different posts but this is the real deal ^^^.
I myself am Bi-Polar and have bouts with depression. AAS will bring your spirits up no doubt. But you have to be cognizant of the pink cloud. If you build up your expectations to high or realistic you will be setting yourself up for a crash. I have a violent temper and can get into trouble (I have) so I take it slow and am always cognizant of the possibility. In this case mind over matter.
Thanks halfwit for the good post and advice for OP. I just couldn't put it all in the correct words.
Meyers, you were 185 lbs...you...in a short period of time...are now 140 lbs.
Why don't you get some of that weight back, before cycling. You could be double your age & it would still make sense.
Your also depressed because the validation you have from having a girlfriend is gone & that probably contributed(if it wasn't the surgery) to your weight loss. Don't be "that guy" who makes dumb decisions during the post-infatuation breakup period. Why don't you get up to 185 lbs...& then do your cycle? Your Testosterone levels are fine. You should be able to gain weight easily if your 45 lbs under.
It would feel very unsatisfying for me to have to use a cycle, just to get where I already was...before cycling(Yes, we are aware your bodyfat level was a bit higher). Using gear to get past 140lbs is not the mindset of a future Mr. Olympia. Also, if you want to be rich, start saving up money & then investing long-term in mutual funds...it's good to have a backup plan, I case you aren't in the top 1/1000th of 1% of Bodybuilders.
This is all coming from a point of view..that *wants* you to succeed in your goals...I believe your depression is probably situational, which means its relatively short term. You will feel better & things will get better.
Why don't you get some of that weight back, before cycling. You could be double your age & it would still make sense.
Your also depressed because the validation you have from having a girlfriend is gone & that probably contributed(if it wasn't the surgery) to your weight loss. Don't be "that guy" who makes dumb decisions during the post-infatuation breakup period. Why don't you get up to 185 lbs...& then do your cycle? Your Testosterone levels are fine. You should be able to gain weight easily if your 45 lbs under.
It would feel very unsatisfying for me to have to use a cycle, just to get where I already was...before cycling(Yes, we are aware your bodyfat level was a bit higher). Using gear to get past 140lbs is not the mindset of a future Mr. Olympia. Also, if you want to be rich, start saving up money & then investing long-term in mutual funds...it's good to have a backup plan, I case you aren't in the top 1/1000th of 1% of Bodybuilders.
This is all coming from a point of view..that *wants* you to succeed in your goals...I believe your depression is probably situational, which means its relatively short term. You will feel better & things will get better.
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