Deca only First Cycle?

[hoddy]

Hey, Thanks in advance for any advice or help.
I have been researching steroid use for a while now and this site has been invaluable.
stats
height 172cm
weight 92kg
bf ? pretty lean.
age 21

I made the choice long ago to do a test only cycle and after feeling I am educated enough on their effects to do a cycle I have been planning to start soon.

Unfortunately good sources are very difficult to find in Australia and instead of Test(probably sust) and nolva,as planned, I can only get a hold of Deca and Clomid.

The more I read about it though the better it looks. My question is then Why is it so recomended to do Test only first up? The sides look to be less with Deca?

I can also get anadrol and was wondering if I should throw that in the first four or five weeks?

Also any help on how to plan the cycle and post cycle therapy (pct) would be appreciated.
Was thinking 10wks @ 400mg.

 

[SYN]

The Sides from Deca will bother much more than the ones from Test.
Gyno - aka Bitch Tits
and Limp Dick - aka No Girl Friend.. ;-)
Besides them .. sure deca is a great chem.
400mg /wk for 10 weeks will be ok..
Start Clomid 3 weeks after last injection. Run it 300mg day 1 100 next 10days and 50 the next 10days.

Nolva would be nice to have on hand incase you start to feel some Gyno. But it is your call . Hope this helps and good luck..
Anabrol.. supposed to be some powerful stuff. I think it comes in 50mg pills. Don't quote me on this. I would run 50mg/day for 4 weeks.
Don't push it on the first cycle..

Good luck.. Read and talk to more people on here first..
These are just my experiences and findings.. Trust yourself.. But research your ass off first..

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Nolva would be nice to have on hand incase you start to feel some Gyno. .........................
Anabrol.. supposed to be some powerful stuff. I think it comes in 50mg pills. Don't quote me on this. I would run 50mg/day for 4 weeks.
Don't push it on the first cycle..

First off.....Nolva does NOT work for gyno from Deca. You will need either Bromo, Dostinex, or Vitamin B6 for that.

Secondly.......do NOT add on Drol for a first cycle, just stick to one compound and learn how you react to it.

 

[SYN]

Thank you stonecold for that correction on the Nolva.
I must have misread that somewhere or been mislead.
Appreciate it.

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Thank you stonecold for that correction on the Nolva.
I must have misread that somewhere or been mislead.
Appreciate it.

That's what we're here for...............

 

[LAWNSAVER]

Thank you stonecold for that correction on the Nolva.
I must have misread that somewhere or been mislead.
Appreciate it.

You probably read it in Anabolics 1996 or 2000, as William still was writing that N-dex would work with deca.

It is now know differently!

Deca for a first cycle is not a good choice, as libido problems will surely arise!

 

[hoddy]

Unfortunately I just broke up with my girlfriend so at least she will not be left "unsatisfied" with my libido...
Will drop the anadrol and see how I go...

 

[jarbulldog]

i do not get deca dick or have a problem getting it up on deca but everyone is different. you will get good lean gains from deca and besides tren, deca is my second favorite

 

[khalz1]

i do not get deca dick or have a problem getting it up on deca but everyone is different. you will get good lean gains from deca and besides tren, deca is my second favorite

MINE enlarges in that department with deca ...wife isnt here for a few months so i should be ok with deca

 

[soonbebig]

im running 300mg of deca with dbol does any 1 think 300mg for and 2nd cycle is to low

 

[kube]

i just finished a 12 week decca cutting cycle with almost no sides at a moderately low dose (400mg EW) with good results bro. of course i used hcg and proviron to prevent testicular atrophy and help with libido. i didnt have any libido issues, no decca dick, no gyno, very little acne which went away after cleaning up the diet some more.

decca 400mg EW
proviron 25mg ED
hcg 500iu E4D

clomid post cycle therapy (pct) 300 mg day 1, 100mg for 2 weeks, 50 mg for 2 weeks

i dont know if this would be okay for a first cycle. personally i wouldnt do any cycle without hcg and proviron but for me that was a learning experience. i think decca has a bad rap and alot of bros are scared away from trying it when in fact it works great for alot of people. i dont know if its my clean diet or the use of proviron but i didnt bloat at all using decca and im not bloating any at all now using test propionate. ive ran arimidex before and still bloated and now im using test again and zero bloat. the only thing is i am running proviron now and wasnt then.

 

[soonbebig]

kube what was your diet and training like

 

[MTex]

test should be the base of any cycle IMO. i also run hcg during cycle - 500 iu's twice a week

 

[kube]

kube what was your diet and training like

my diet was high protein (mostly eggs, milk, natural unprocessed whey, fresh cheese, cottage cheese) high fat (sesame seeds, almonds, sunflower seeds, flax seeds, flax seed oil, olive oil, avocados)
low carbs(alternating fruit or fresh greens for carbs with each meal and complex carbs only post workout. mostly oatmeal or brown rice.) also, my diet was 80 percent raw foods.

weight training was HST, employing supersets and drop sets.

cardio was almost non-existant. mostly interval sprinting or heavy bag drills.

i was a happy bitch up until week 9 or 10 when i hit 85 kilos. started feeling kinda flat. up until that point i could not see ANY loss of muscle and in fact my back somehow got wider while cutting.

i think everyone who cycles suffers from bigorexia to some degree. my girl got really tired of me asking her 50 times per day if i looked smaller or seemed to be losing muscle.