Deca, test e, dbol, winny first cycle

[Thegreatest]

Hello, I am new to steroids so would like some advice.
I am 22, 6ft, 90kg with 17-18% body fat. Been eating a lot hence the high body fat. Before going on a cycle I am planning on getting the body fat down to Atleast 14%

Been training for 2 years and have put on about 15kilos with diet and creatine, with a bit of fat ofcourse.

Want to put some serious mass on as at 90 kilos I am fairly small compared to other people at gym my weight.

The cycle I was looking at running is

Test e 300mg/wk - wk 1-10
Deca 300mg/wk - wk 1-10
Dbol 20mg ed - wk 1-5
Stanazol 25mg ed - wk 6-10

PCT
Clomid 100mg 10days, 50mg 10days

Throughout the cycle will also be taking fish oil, Liver stabil and nolvadex if I can get some.

I had shoulder bursitis a couple of months ago and have been doing some rehab which limits my workout. I cannot do any bar exercise for chest and shoulder. I have read some post people suggesting deca can help with bursitis as well, is this true?

Thank you

 

[brother bundy]

if your new to steroids wouldnt commen sense tell u mayb I should do one compound at a time?

 

[PITBULLLOCK]

First cycle should always be test only but why run anything at 22 your natty test is at its prime, take advantage of your natty potential.

 

[Thegreatest]

In terms of mass gains and maintaining it, what would be better just one compound or the cycle I listed above. Note the dosage in my suggested cycle isn't too high as well. I want gains that is very noticeable. If one compound was better what would be best in your opinion bro

 

[Thegreatest]

Pit bullock, I haven't had any gains in 2 months now. That's why thinking about steroids. Not decided on it yet though. And what about deca and bursitis, do you know anything about it?

 

[ErectusMaximus]

Too soon buddy, too soon. It sounds like you realize this as you need to drop 4% bf and that will take a while, but you should have your diet dialed in soon enough. So in about 2 years from now, you will be a good bf% and your shoulder will be healed. I would try to hold off until then.

Since you may go ahead with this anyhow..... Don't get me wrong, no one here is going to encourage aas @ 22y/o, but still you might not take this decision seriously enough and make the mistake of jumping on aas too soon. SOOOOOOOOO I'm not gonna talk about dosages, but I will say that the cycle you picked out is WAY over the head of a beginner.

It's not that your not smart enough, it's just you need to learn. There are rules of thumbs to follow but adjustments in dosages of AI's and the AAS themselves is needed for each individual. No body acts exactly the same as another. You should only introduce one thing at a time to your body. So if you put in Deca, Dbol, and Winstrol (winny) your 1st cycle and you have a bad reaction or strong sides in general, HOW will you know what is messing with you?????? Test ALONE has to be kept in check with an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) is estrogen sensitive individuals... Are you sensitive to E??? You don't know until you try....

Wait a few more years. Slow down! At the very least take everyones advice about starting slow please.

GL and take care of that shoulder man.

 

[PITBULLLOCK]

Pit bullock, I haven't had any gains in 2 months now. That's why thinking about steroids. Not decided on it yet though. And what about deca and bursitis, do you know anything about it?

If you ain't gaining your more then likely not eating enough. What's your daily cal intake?

 

[bryan89]

First cycle should always be test only but why run anything at 22 your natty test is at its prime, take advantage of your natty potential.

I never understand why people say this. Arnold took steroids since he was 16. I think adding test when your are at your natty prime is optimal. Why wait until its drops? As long as the person has a solid base and knowledge on diet there isnt a problem IMO

 

[SquadLeader]

Please do more research first before starting a cycle. Stick around Steroidology, you will learn enough and then some so you feel comfortable starting your first cycle.

 

[brother bundy]

I never understand why people say this. Arnold took steroids since he was 16. I think adding test when your are at your natty prime is optimal. Why wait until its drops? As long as the person has a solid base and knowledge on diet there isnt a problem IMO

thats some dumb shit everytime someone says Arnold did makes me want to smack the taste out their mouth

 

[KRASHRT]

thats some dumb shit everytime someone says Arnold did makes me want to smack the taste out their mouth

Not for nothing he had multiple cabg's at a young age. If you don't take everyone's advice just keep in mind there's a good chance you won't bounce back to the test level you started at. I'm 32 when I was 22 was a whole different animal. Was like a low dose run. Even w pct you're not garunteed to get back where you were. Also. Check your intake. Getting proper cals with clean whole foods isn't easy less ur blending oats/eggs/spinnach and chugging every few hrs. If you do ignore waiting your receptors are virgin. You'll gain way easy off nothing ur 1st go around. Read up and listen. Have your ancilaries before you start and know how to use them. Also learn about eater halflives when trying new stuff.

 

[brother bundy]

Not for nothing he had multiple cabg's at a young age. If you don't take everyone's advice just keep in mind there's a good chance you won't bounce back to the test level you started at. I'm 32 when I was 22 was a whole different animal. Was like a low dose run. Even w pct you're not garunteed to get back where you were. Also. Check your intake. Getting proper cals with clean whole foods isn't easy less ur blending oats/eggs/spinnach and chugging every few hrs. If you do ignore waiting your receptors are virgin. You'll gain way easy off nothing ur 1st go around. Read up and listen. Have your ancilaries before you start and know how to use them. Also learn about eater halflives when trying new stuff.

bro what the fuck are u talkin about?

 

[username1]

I never understand why people say this. Arnold took steroids since he was 16. I think adding test when your are at your natty prime is optimal. Why wait until its drops? As long as the person has a solid base and knowledge on diet there isnt a problem IMO

how many people are on this planet? and you mention one out of billions that didn't have an issue (that we know of)? those aren't good odds, if you just want to roll the dice and see what happens, by all means don't let me stop you because I couldn't care less but, using one individual as an example out of every other person on the planet is pretty fucking stupid.

 

[size_matters]

Not for nothing he had multiple cabg's at a young age. If you don't take everyone's advice just keep in mind there's a good chance you won't bounce back to the test level you started at. I'm 32 when I was 22 was a whole different animal. Was like a low dose run. Even w post cycle therapy (pct) you're not garunteed to get back where you were. Also. Check your intake. Getting proper cals with clean whole foods isn't easy less ur blending oats/eggs/spinnach and chugging every few hrs. If you do ignore waiting your receptors are virgin. You'll gain way easy off nothing ur 1st go around. Read up and listen. Have your ancilaries before you start and know how to use them. Also learn about eater halflives when trying new stuff.

Yeah I agree with bundy. This doesn't make much sense.

 

[Thegreatest]

Thank you all for replying. I think I'll stay away from roids Atleast until shoulder heals and will start off with just test and maybe deca. But why does everyone say keep away from steroids in your early 20s? Bodybuilders in the 70's did steroids in their late teens and got good results, one being Arnold.couldnt sides be kept to a minimal with proper dosage and diet. What would be the difference if I was to take it at 21 and at 24?
Again appreciate all the advice

 

[Thegreatest]

22

 

[Thegreatest]

And my calorie intake is pretty high. Probably should calculate it but don't have the numbers. I eat every 3 hours and protein shake immediately after gym. Get 8 hour sleeps as well

 

[ErectusMaximus]

Thank you all for replying. I think I'll stay away from roids Atleast until shoulder heals and will start off with just test and maybe deca. But why does everyone say keep away from steroids in your early 20s? Bodybuilders in the 70's did steroids in their late teens and got good results, one being Arnold.couldnt sides be kept to a minimal with proper dosage and diet. What would be the difference if I was to take it at 21 and at 24?
Again appreciate all the advice

Glad to hear about your decision. The reason people are suggesting not taking steroids in your early 20's are really two reasons:

1) Your test truly is very high still, to shut your system down to add SLIGHTLY more test makes little sense. The money that you spent on the juice better spent on FOOD ( seriously food is the MOST anabolic thing you can put in your body).

2) When you are younger your life changes often and dramatically. If you don't continue to lift weights until your 40 w/o roids, you will not lift until 40 WITH roids either. Just saying you really do hurt your heart and kidneys ( liver too but it regenerates so w/e) a lot and if your not gonna be serious there is no reason to cause bodily hard to yourself ( and you will ALWAYS to some degree).

Oh yeah and one more thing. Arnold did have a heart surgery. The reason "they" gave for it was not the whole truth. Look it up and you'll see there is much much more to that story. Remember a LOT of BB's die early, but millionares ALWAYS get better health care. If your a millionare now, go for it!!!!!! lol

 

[Die$eL~Man]

if your new to steroids wouldnt commen sense tell u mayb I should do one compound at a time?

Yup. Just run test for your 1st cycle.