Deca vs Tren on lean bulk

[bfriedman1017]

I looked up some past threads and people have mixed opinions on which of the 2 they prefer for a bulk. I was wondering what you guys think the benefits of using one or the other. I understand Tren you will get more strength and hardened look, and deca is better on joints. But how much more mass if any would you gain on deca, and would you lose most of it from the water retention afer your post cycle therapy (pct)? Would I gain less bodyfat with tren?
I am debating between the 2 mixed with dbol. Im leaning a little torward Tren because I can run cycle shorter and start post cycle therapy (pct) sooner which means I can start cut cycle sooner. I am trying to have one more bulk cycle and then by april I was planning on doing a cutting cycle for next summer.

 

[KaiserSose]

Im running tren ace now I like it but would have liked more mass, definitely going with NPP next time.

 

[DADAWG]

I looked up some past threads and people have mixed opinions on which of the 2 they prefer for a bulk. I was wondering what you guys think the benefits of using one or the other. I understand Tren you will get more strength and hardened look, and deca is better on joints. But how much more mass if any would you gain on deca, and would you lose most of it from the water retention afer your post cycle therapy (pct)? Would I gain less bodyfat with tren?
I am debating between the 2 mixed with dbol. Im leaning a little torward Tren because I can run cycle shorter and start post cycle therapy (pct) sooner which means I can start cut cycle sooner. I am trying to have one more bulk cycle and then by april I was planning on doing a cutting cycle for next summer.

i wouldnt run either without test . short ester deca [ npp ] will clear out just as fast as tren acetate.
either would work fine imo but i would run at least a few hundred mg of test a week with either.

 

[bfriedman1017]

ya I was planning on using prop with tren and test e with deca my bad should have wrote it

 

[KaiserSose]

Ya I assumed you had test figured in already, prop with NPP!

 

[bfriedman1017]

yup now im leaning torward NPP.

 

[jreynolds20]

i really like npp, but i absolutely love tren. just beware tren is not for beginners, the sides can kick your ass

 

[R1rider]

ive cycled both and i would go npp and prop.

 

[Dominator Human]

I looked up some past threads and people have mixed opinions on which of the 2 they prefer for a bulk. I was wondering what you guys think the benefits of using one or the other. I understand Tren you will get more strength and hardened look, and deca is better on joints. But how much more mass if any would you gain on deca, and would you lose most of it from the water retention afer your pct? Would I gain less bodyfat with tren?
I am debating between the 2 mixed with dbol. Im leaning a little torward Tren because I can run cycle shorter and start pct sooner which means I can start cut cycle sooner. I am trying to have one more bulk cycle and then by april I was planning on doing a cutting cycle for next summer.

What are you trying to accomplish ??

If it's all out mass then I would suggest you run Test/Deca. Yes you will loose some water when you come off, but the final results will more mass. Deca is a slow gainer and honestly when I run a cycle with Deca I don't notice much of a size increase when I look in the mirror. It's only at the end of a 14 week Test/Deca cycle when people you don't know look at you and say "Holy &hit you're a big dude"

Tren will transform your body like nothing else, but you're not gonna have the same size than if you run the Deca. You're not gonna look the same either. IF you're new to the game I suggest you wait to run Tren. The sides suck real bad and it shits you down pretty hard.

 

[Tarbosh]

I was trying to find a good source of info for the metabolic pathways for testosterone trenbolone and dianabol thinking maybe the metabolites of test and d bol would offset the angry depressed side effects of tren since they put you in such a good mood on there own.

 

[DADAWG]

I was trying to find a good source of info for the metabolic pathways for testosterone trenbolone and dianabol thinking maybe the metabolites of test and d bol would offset the angry depressed side effects of tren since they put you in such a good mood on there own.

with all due respect . i know dozens and dozens of people who have zero negative side effects from tren . no anger , no depression = nothing . i know many who say they feel better than ever.
99% of anger / roid rage is a guy who was allready a asshole using steroids as a excuse to be a even bigger asshole.

 

[crios660]

Since your new to juice, stick to test/deca combo.

 

[joei rock]

99% of anger / roid rage is a guy who was allready a asshole using steroids as a excuse to be a even bigger .

x2 on this .. i love tren.. no crazzy agression sides for me at all .. just god like feeling through out cycle...

i cant compare it to deca cuz i havent used deca yet.. those are the plans for the next cycle though

 

[Clearfocus]

Amen

with all due respect . i know dozens and dozens of people who have zero negative side effects from tren . no anger , no depression = nothing . i know many who say they feel better than ever.
99% of anger / roid rage is a guy who was allready a asshole using steroids as a excuse to be a even bigger asshole.

Well said, I ran it along with TE for 3 months and felt great, had two buddy's on it and they were fine as well.

 

[SonOfZeu$]

Well said, I ran it along with TE for 3 months and felt great, had two buddy's on it and they were fine as well.

when i ran tren i was at times easily pissed off, other than that no sides

 

[odds]

I hear from guys who either have no sides on tren or other guys who have insomnia, rage, depression, sleep sweating, coughing etc. there is really no way to know how it is going to effect you personally.

 

[willypct40]

i'll be going on week 4 of my tren mix and test e cycle.only sides so far night sweets and mild insomia.
i still cant believe i waited so long to do tren. this stuff is fucking amazing.
i have gotten some vascular,lean gains AND its only been 4 weeks.I did a cycle of deca with test a few
years ago,didnt like it.(to much bloat)but i trully love tren (can you tell)
and will only run tren cycles from know on.tren is the best steroid. anyone that will argue this has never actually done it.

 

[Santaklaus]

I looked up some past threads and people have mixed opinions on which of the 2 they prefer for a bulk. I was wondering what you guys think the benefits of using one or the other. I understand Tren you will get more strength and hardened look, and deca is better on joints. But how much more mass if any would you gain on deca, and would you lose most of it from the water retention afer your post cycle therapy (pct)? Would I gain less bodyfat with tren?
I am debating between the 2 mixed with dbol. Im leaning a little torward Tren because I can run cycle shorter and start post cycle therapy (pct) sooner which means I can start cut cycle sooner. I am trying to have one more bulk cycle and then by april I was planning on doing a cutting cycle for next summer.

You said "lean bulk".. If you're looking to bulk it should be test/deca.. If you're looking to lean out/get vascular then test/tren.. you kind of combined cutting and bulking.. nobody wants fatty bulk