Dianabol cycle 30 40 30

[Dan man]

Hello, I'm doing a dbol only cycle and want to know from others about their gains, previously I have used one rip 200 for 8 weeks, and I have done a 6 week anavar course, during these courses I didn't pay much attention to nutrition so gains were bad, this dbol will be my first proper cycle where I will be 100% dedicated.

I will be running it for 8 weeks doing 30/30/30/30 40/40/40/40. I was wondering should I lay it out like that? Or 30/30/40/40/40/40/30/30. Criticism accepted just want to know what you guys think.
I am a fitness instructor so my training and diet will be spot on.
AGE 20
Height 6"05
Weight 85.9k. 189 pounds
4 day split

 

[Docd187]

There is so much wrong here I don't know where to start except by directing you to the stickies about oral only cycles. Oral only cycles are subpar, I believe your dosing is subpar (not 100% sure), the length of the cycle is stretching it seriously, no liver support, etc etc etc. there are more things to be pointed out but you've failed to do your research so why should anyone do it for you.

Also what you say makes no sense: you say your first 2 cycles the gains weren't good bc your nutrition was not adequate. Now you say you're a fitness intstructor and your diet will be spot on? I think you'll probably end up with the same results and same dedication level, not better. There are plenty of fitness instructors who know less than the general population so I don't think that makes any sort of difference.

 

[Dan man]

Understand what your saying, I did cycles at 16 like a dick.
I understand about steroids and the prolonged effects on the liver, any more then 2 month on any oral cycle is a no and I don't feel like injecting again I'm just experimenting just looked for advice of someone who tried it.
As for nutritional ill be hitting 450 carbs 300+ protein 100g fat, as for liver supplements in my research milk thistle is not effective enough to make any difference, I will be buying a liquid form of liv 52 though.
Also 4 years of sports and fitness with nutrition and anatomy and physiology behind me now,
Thanks for your reply

 

[Docd187]

Understand what your saying, I did cycles at 16 like a dick.
I understand about steroids and the prolonged effects on the liver, any more then 2 month on any oral cycle is a no and I don't feel like injecting again I'm just experimenting just looked for advice of someone who tried it.
As for nutritional ill be hitting 450 carbs 300+ protein 100g fat, as for liver supplements in my research milk thistle is not effective enough to make any difference, I will be buying a liquid form of liv 52 though.
Also 4 years of sports and fitness with nutrition and anatomy and physiology behind me now,
Thanks for your reply

The past is past if you've learned from it but you know no one on here is going to recommend an oral only cycle, even if you don't want to inject. There's a reason the injections are important with orals and if you don't understand that there's not much help that can be offered you. Most will tell you the gains are temporary for the most part and will disappear when you come off. This is bc test is not used as a base so you're temporarily making great gains but by shutting down your HPTA you're not allowing your body to hold on to these gains for any length of time.

You're macros mean nothing with a TDEE, stats, goals, etc. anyone can eat those numbers and gain or cut but how can anyone help tailor the macros suited to YOUR goals without know your goals or knowing what your energy requirements are?

 

[Dan man]

I understand that test is the best for a beginner cycle, and the people I know do orals only mixed with injectable s for months on end like roid monkeys which is stupid.

You're macros mean nothing with a TDEE, stats, goals, etc. anyone can eat those numbers and gain or cut but how can anyone help tailor the macros suited to YOUR goals without know your goals or knowing what your energy requirements are?



By this do you mean how much my daily energy expenditure is? I worked it out I burn on 2416 calories on an average day so eating at 3500 should be beneficial?
On whole supplementing with multi vit and iron, fish oils, whey protein and mass gainer shake, on a student budget. Pct clomid

 

[Docd187]

You're macros mean nothing with a TDEE, stats, goals, etc. anyone can eat those numbers and gain or cut but how can anyone help tailor the macros suited to YOUR goals without know your goals or knowing what your energy requirements are?



By this do you mean how much my daily energy expenditure is? I worked it out I burn on 2416 calories on an average day so eating at 3500 should be beneficial?
On whole supplementing with multi vit and iron, fish oils, whey protein and mass gainer shake, on a student budget. Pct clomid

Yes TDEE is total daily energy expenditure. I plugged your numbers into a calculator to get an estimate and unless you're very inactive you should have a higher TDEE. Are you sure your numbers are right and did you multiply by the correct activity factor? If you're not on a cycle and trying to gain your caloric surplus should be around 10-20% any more than that and you'll start to gain fat at an increased rate, any less and it will hinder and slow your progress. If you're in cycle you can afford to increase the surplus somewhat since gear helps calorie partitioning and increases recovery and muscle protein synthesis. Start off with a moderate surplus and adjust based on results.

I understand that test is the best for a beginner cycle, and the people I know do orals only mixed with injectable s for months on end like roid monkeys which is stupid.

This is a strawman argument, illogical and not a valid one at that. No one here is arguing for an injectable cycle for months on end and in case you're not aware of it, dbol is a steroid so by taking it you'll become the same roid monkey you speak so loathly of. Plus at your age a cycle isn't recommended for numerous reasons including but not limited to future growth, maturity, dedication, and the fact your natural endogenous test production is at its peak. If you understand test is a beginner cycle why are you straying from you admittedly know? I can't in good conscience recommend any cycle to you due to your age but even taking age out of consideration, I still wouldn't recommend an oral only cycle PERIOD. I'm trying to help you here but you seem set in your ways and don't want to hear the advice that you should've expected was going to come. Oral only cycles SUCK. End of story. Don't believe me read the sticky about it by DaDawg and he goes into some more detail. Testosterone is what will allow you to keep your gains and your dick functioning since dbol shuts down BIG TIME, aromatizes to a great degree, and swells you up with water weight. Since dbol aromatizes and holds water weight an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) is also recommended but an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) should be taken with any test cycle as well. Have you given any thought to this?

 

[Dan man]

Yes I took into account everything you have said I know exacly what your saying is right, I just look at it like dbol is a steroid an a popular one at that, I am just testing this bulker as I have heard for sources it's good for a first newbie cycle and less intimidating then injecting, I just wanted some direction as how to plan the cycle out.
I appreciate the advice you have givin me and I do take into account you would not recommend a oral only, I just am trying it out as a first.

 

[Docd187]

Yes I took into account everything you have said I know exacly what your saying is right, I just look at it like dbol is a steroid an a popular one at that, I am just testing this bulkier as I have heard for sources it's grid for a first newbie cycle and less intimidating then injecting, I just wanted some direction as how to plan the cycle out.
I appreciate the advice you have givin me and I do take into account you would not recommend a oral only, I just am trying it out as a first.

Than I wish you luck on your journey man but this is where my "cycle advice" has to end. Maybe other people can chime in more but I can't do it in good conscience. Good luck to you and make sure to keep that liver healthy lol