ok the count down is soon at hand , from what everyone says the last week is the most critical! so with this the theory of starting at 4-5 gals and then reducing ,to cut off, the boys say not to soon or spill over will occur, since this is the first time for me this way is thurs. the day or is fri,??? along with the aldactone and cutting the water out ureka dry and hard ????? and should i consider distilled water or not ? and will it make a difference?some theories, thanks.
distilled water or not ?
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Fyre
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nosocks2 said:
The last week is the crucial week that's for sure. Do not cut your water back too early. Far too many people do that and they end up looking flat. When does House have you cutting your water out?
Aldactone is a good diuretic. I myself have only used Aldactazide and I've used Dyazide with competitors as well. You can switch to distilled if you'd like. I always drink distilled water but just make sure you are taking an extra multi vitamin. You shouldn't be too worried right now about sodium, you need sodium in your diet. Don't panic hun, you're right on track.
house1
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fyre, what should his last week prep look like -- water intake?,carb intake??
he gets into panic mode pretty easy -- made him take in carbs today-- he is looking very, very tired and drained -- he gets afraid to take in any carbs -- so he just baerly takes any in -- he trains very hard -- his body has nothing to run on-- cant get that into his head--
he is a cranky fucker
deffinitley looking for help on the last week prep-- thats make or break time--
i really want him to do well-- he has worked extremely hard for this-- i dont want to give him bad advice-
so any and all help will be appreciated
pipes
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Starting 10 days out begin massive water consumption(15litre/day). I also cut out all salts starting on day 10. I didn't take any diruetics besides uvra ursi and dandilion root. Cooked all meats via boiling to eliminate all excess sodium. Keep water intake high for days 1-7. This will help flush out existing sodium in the system. On the last litre of water on day 7 add three diruetic tea bags. Day 8-9 1/2 litre of water to sip only when nessasry. Day of contest no water. Between day 8-10 I lost 14 lbs of water and my frame looked alot tighter. Begin to carb deplete on days 3-7. Day 8-9 begin to carb up. I used 150 grams of potatoe and 150 grams of brocolli every 2 hrs. Make shure the are boiled/ steamed to eliniate sodium. On day 10 eat high glycemic carbs(none in liquid form, can have any fluids). Never eat until full( your stomach is sensitive at this point and you don't want any bloating). Keep your protein intake high the whole way through. Drop all supplements at day 10. Protein powder ect has alot of sodium in it. As far as your workouts do high volume low intensity to help with carb depletion. Perform you last weights workout at day 5. Cardio on day 6-7. Stop all excersise at day 8 to allow your body to carb up. Good luck!
Fyre
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house1 said:fyre, what should his last week prep look like -- water intake?,carb intake??
he gets into panic mode pretty easy -- made him take in carbs today-- he is looking very, very tired and drained -- he gets afraid to take in any carbs -- so he just baerly takes any in -- he trains very hard -- his body has nothing to run on-- cant get that into his head--
he is a cranky fucker
deffinitley looking for help on the last week prep-- thats make or break time--
i really want him to do well-- he has worked extremely hard for this-- i dont want to give him bad advice-
so any and all help will be appreciated
I'll shoot u a pm!
How many weeks out is he now? Also, how many tablespoons of Flax/Udo's is he taking a day? Fish oil?
HOUSE there are 100 opinions on this so i will throw mine in there too!! i use no diruetic or very little 12 hours before prejudge! this is for a saturday show.
MONDAY- 3 gallons of water-all meat eaten that day use dali meat!! (sodium loading)
TUESDAY-3 gallons of water-1 potassium tab per meal-still use deli meats
WEDNESDAY-3 gallons of water-2 potassium tabs per meal-1 magnesium tab that day-switch to fresh meats, but still salt food as usual
THURSDAY-1.5 gallons of distilled water-3 potassium tabs per meal-2 magnesium tabs that day--fresh meat and veggies-1/2 salt on food
FRIDAY-8 oz water with each meal-3 potassium tabs per meal-3 magnesium tabs that day-no salt- all fresh foods--cut water at 9PM
SATURDAY-3 potassium per meal-3 magnesium that day- sip water to get down food and vitamins only-6 oz water 30 min. before pump up time with dried fruit and rice cakes-6 oz water after pre-judge- then only sip untill night show is over!!
MONDAY- 3 gallons of water-all meat eaten that day use dali meat!! (sodium loading)
TUESDAY-3 gallons of water-1 potassium tab per meal-still use deli meats
WEDNESDAY-3 gallons of water-2 potassium tabs per meal-1 magnesium tab that day-switch to fresh meats, but still salt food as usual
THURSDAY-1.5 gallons of distilled water-3 potassium tabs per meal-2 magnesium tabs that day--fresh meat and veggies-1/2 salt on food
FRIDAY-8 oz water with each meal-3 potassium tabs per meal-3 magnesium tabs that day-no salt- all fresh foods--cut water at 9PM
SATURDAY-3 potassium per meal-3 magnesium that day- sip water to get down food and vitamins only-6 oz water 30 min. before pump up time with dried fruit and rice cakes-6 oz water after pre-judge- then only sip untill night show is over!!
socks i can e-mail you some picks if you'd like. just PM me your addy!!
on the potassium-this is the secret-there is a ratio of potassium mgs. to sodium mgs. that will pull out the water that is held right under the skin. which if done right you an look freaky!!!!
on the potassium-this is the secret-there is a ratio of potassium mgs. to sodium mgs. that will pull out the water that is held right under the skin. which if done right you an look freaky!!!!
Faye
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No one should ever drink distilled water! Even if you are taking a multi. Drinking distilled water leechs essential nutrients out of your body and can cause major electrolite imbalances.
Drink water label "Drinking Water" or "Artesian Water" but make sure it has not been filterd my reverse osmosis.
Drink water label "Drinking Water" or "Artesian Water" but make sure it has not been filterd my reverse osmosis.
Faye
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Reverse osmosis removes all of the minerals from the water - that's what makes it distilled.
As far as sodium depletion goes - you can, during your contest prep, make the last 1/2 gallon to 1 gallon of water you drink distilled water to help leach out all minerals and make your skin super thin. Still, this is dangerous and you should really avoid it.
This was orginally posted on another board by Thunder:
Sodium is one of the most delicately controlled minerals in your body and you're not going to be able to voluntarily disrupt that balance for very long, before your body adapts and makes the necessary adjustments.
More sodium in = More sodium out.
By having a higher intake of sodium, you're simply setting your 'bar' higher. That is, what is considered 'normal' to your body is now higher. But the end of day balance will remain unchanged. Think about the Na/K balance b/w intracellular and extracellular compartments. You cannot change this more than transiently.
Elevated sodium levels keep aldosterone down. Aldosterone, when elevated, inhibits sodium loss and promotes reuptake of sodium in the kidneys. We don't want that. Provided one is drinking adequate fluids, the low levels of aldosterone will allow 'excess' sodium to be continually flushed.
What affects 'water retention' is changes in sodium intake. What is important is relative changes, and not absolute quantities.
If one day you drastically increase sodium intake above and beyond what is considered normal to your body, you're going to get some water retention. Sodium and water hydrogen bond with one another, so where sodium goes, water will follow.
Now, if you had increased sodium intake, and kept it at that higher intake, yes, you'd initially hold some water. However, once your body adapted, it would then eliminate the excess sodium (through blunted aldosterone levels), again to maintain the delicate balance. As already mention, where sodium goes, water follows, so that excess water you gained, will fall off you, even if you kept your sodium intake high.
Increases in blood volume (as a result of higher sodium intake) and the resultant improvement in nutrient delivery and waste removal is another benefit.
Low sodium when dieting is a monster mistake. It will eventually make you hold water (think aldosterone and Anti-Diuretic Hormone). For the competitive athlete, sodium should not be cut. This is one particular reason some bodybuilders can never completely fill out. Not enough salt. Throw the salt back in and whammo ... full and vascular, just like the day after the show.
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I don't completly agree with Thunder, I don't think body builders should practice high-sodium diets because of other health risks, but the basic ideas are there. It's realitive changes in the amount of sodium you consume that matter. If you are looking to sodium deplete, sodium load first for a few days while drinking mad amounts of water and your aldosterone levels will drop, cut the sodium a lot and water in half each day for 3 days and you'll pee off all your salt and water off and be dry dry dry.
As far as sodium depletion goes - you can, during your contest prep, make the last 1/2 gallon to 1 gallon of water you drink distilled water to help leach out all minerals and make your skin super thin. Still, this is dangerous and you should really avoid it.
This was orginally posted on another board by Thunder:
Sodium is one of the most delicately controlled minerals in your body and you're not going to be able to voluntarily disrupt that balance for very long, before your body adapts and makes the necessary adjustments.
More sodium in = More sodium out.
By having a higher intake of sodium, you're simply setting your 'bar' higher. That is, what is considered 'normal' to your body is now higher. But the end of day balance will remain unchanged. Think about the Na/K balance b/w intracellular and extracellular compartments. You cannot change this more than transiently.
Elevated sodium levels keep aldosterone down. Aldosterone, when elevated, inhibits sodium loss and promotes reuptake of sodium in the kidneys. We don't want that. Provided one is drinking adequate fluids, the low levels of aldosterone will allow 'excess' sodium to be continually flushed.
What affects 'water retention' is changes in sodium intake. What is important is relative changes, and not absolute quantities.
If one day you drastically increase sodium intake above and beyond what is considered normal to your body, you're going to get some water retention. Sodium and water hydrogen bond with one another, so where sodium goes, water will follow.
Now, if you had increased sodium intake, and kept it at that higher intake, yes, you'd initially hold some water. However, once your body adapted, it would then eliminate the excess sodium (through blunted aldosterone levels), again to maintain the delicate balance. As already mention, where sodium goes, water follows, so that excess water you gained, will fall off you, even if you kept your sodium intake high.
Increases in blood volume (as a result of higher sodium intake) and the resultant improvement in nutrient delivery and waste removal is another benefit.
Low sodium when dieting is a monster mistake. It will eventually make you hold water (think aldosterone and Anti-Diuretic Hormone). For the competitive athlete, sodium should not be cut. This is one particular reason some bodybuilders can never completely fill out. Not enough salt. Throw the salt back in and whammo ... full and vascular, just like the day after the show.
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I don't completly agree with Thunder, I don't think body builders should practice high-sodium diets because of other health risks, but the basic ideas are there. It's realitive changes in the amount of sodium you consume that matter. If you are looking to sodium deplete, sodium load first for a few days while drinking mad amounts of water and your aldosterone levels will drop, cut the sodium a lot and water in half each day for 3 days and you'll pee off all your salt and water off and be dry dry dry.
