DNP, women and eggs

[Badruz]

basically guys and especially women. i know a few women mod and competitiors on the forum have tried this and what i wanted to know as another female competitior i know was thinking of running 200mg ed for 12 days or every 36 hours (half life). the don't mind the sides but the only worry is that it might effect they're eggs so they cannot have children in the future while with guys they produce more sperm. i read another post on the forum by a female who said there was no evidence of this and that it was legally given to women a while back as a weight loss drug which i already know. they wouldn't of done that if it destroyed female eggs and only took it off due to the possible cause of cataracts. so question is anyone know where it does or not?

 

[GymLift]

don't mind the sides

People often change their minds on this after they actually do a DNP cycle.

it was legally given to women a while back as a weight loss drug

A while back? LOL. I think it was the 1930s when it was banned. There wasn't very stringent pre-market testing back then, of course and upon testing it on the public, it failed.

But to answer your question, I don't know and I doubt there is much data available.

 

[Insane_Man]

Even if the chance of it preventing giving birth is 1/1000th of a percent, I don't think it's worth it for a woman who wants to have her own children.

Me? I hate the little bastards.

 

[GymLift]

Me? I hate the little bastards.

Did your parents feel the same way?

 

[JerseyArt]

Nothing wrong with fried eggs

 

[Insane_Man]

Did your parents feel the same way?

I guess you haven't been to the mall lately.

 

[DADAWG]

i am NOT positive but i think only the eggs produced during the dnp cycle or right after would be damaged . i wouldnt think its a permenant condition.

 

[Badruz]

dadawg all the female eggs are produced at birth so they don't produce anymore. do you mean eggs released through menstural cycle. Thanks for the input guys, she and i both think that if there is a chance then not a good idea also.

 

[JerseyArt]

i am NOT positive but i think only the eggs produced during the dnp cycle or right after would be damaged . i wouldnt think its a permenant condition.

They don't produce them at random intervals. She's currently carrying all the eggs she'll ever have already.

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To answer your question bro although there is no conclusive evidence its just a dumb thing to do for a woman, especially if she plans on ever having children. There are no long term studies because it hasn't been legal in so long, but I think the smart money would infer it has to be potentially hazardous to those eggs in any number of ways

 

[BADKITTY]

Hey Badruz! welcome to 'ology
ok, first off there are a ton of myths about DNP usage in women- here are some great articles and research about it. let your friend read carefully and make her own decision. some of the info is repeated in different posts, but IMO these are the best resources for your friend.
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/showthread.php?t=76443&highlight=DNP
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49056&highlight=DNP
again, similar info, but some female info added:
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28636&highlight=DNP
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31023&highlight=DNP
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31427&highlight=DNP
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30892&highlight=DNP

My favorite source of research- written by a female (posted by Torchy)

Nope...doesn't touch internal body temp. Actually, it hardly raises the body temp to an outrageous number past 98.6 when used correctly. Taking it on the half life is a completely different ball game developed by Bachynski. Studies have shown no deteriorating liver values, no cancer or cataracts and no "frying of the eggs." Now, did I say it wasn't a dangerous compound? NO! I am just stating that when used correctly, not everyday at terrible dosages...proper education is the key. Running it on it's half life will save you many of the unnecessary side effects associated with it.

here's a great source of info outside of our board:
http://www.geocities.com/byggdegstor/dnpforside

From the extensive (two years) research i have done on dnp, it's pretty much been proven NOT to raise INTERNAL body temp (which would result in the "egg frying" ). DNP increases SURFACE HEAT. the only way overheating occurs is if
A) the user overdoses or
B) the user does not stay properly hydrated to cool the body

I get SICK of hearing all of this crap about women and DNP, and blah blah blah. "DNP is not something to play with", yeah no joke. Well guess what? Neither is ephedrine, or alcohol, or steroids. It all comes down to RESPONSIBILITY. If you aren't responsible enough to do the research and respect what you are putting into your body, then you obviously aren't responsible enough to be taking it. Did i say DNP is a magic cure, or that it is for everyone? Absolutely not. But for those who can and have used it responsibly it is BAR NONE the most effective fatburner out there.
Badruz please tell your friend to PM me with ANY questions that she may have; I have lots more info if she needs it. Best of luck, and if she does decide on a cycle please tell her to post a log so that other women can learn from her experience!
~MINX

 

[JerseyArt]

here's a great source of info outside of our board:
http://www.geocities.com/byggdegstor/dnpforside

From the extensive (two years) research i have done on dnp, it's pretty much been proven NOT to raise INTERNAL body temp (which would result in the "egg frying" ). DNP increases SURFACE HEAT. the only way overheating occurs is if
A) the user overdoses or
B) the user does not stay properly hydrated to cool the body

I get SICK of hearing all of this crap about women and DNP, and blah blah blah. "DNP is not something to play with", yeah no joke. Well guess what? Neither is ephedrine, or alcohol, or steroids. It all comes down to RESPONSIBILITY. If you aren't responsible enough to do the research and respect what you are putting into your body, then you obviously aren't responsible enough to be taking it. Did i say DNP is a magic cure, or that it is for everyone? Absolutely not. But for those who can and have used it responsibly it is BAR NONE the most effective fatburner out there.
Badruz please tell your friend to PM me with ANY questions that she may have; I have lots more info if she needs it. Best of luck, and if she does decide on a cycle please tell her to post a log so that other women can learn from her experience!
~MINX

God I hate getting involved in medical discussions. But I have to disagree strongly with your post.

DNP is not ephedrine, or alcohol etc.

It is a phenolic compound, and while there is extremely limited research on DNP itself, there is more research on phenolic compounds and their role in DNA intercalation. Anecdotal statements from laymen on a message board are not "research." Especially when the vats majority of them (myself included) are generally irresponsible with respect to what they put in their bodies. I always love the caveats by the way of "only professional bodybuilders" should do the following, as if they were somehow trained and licensed like stuntmen to do the cautioned activity properly, and not just a bunch of guys who work out and eat a lot.

The point being is that there is no responsible use of DNP for anyone, most especially women. Do we know what will happen with a certainty, no. But we can extrapolate from what similar compounds do.

Might she do it with no complications. I suppose its possible. But to call it responsible is a disservice because what we do know would suggest that it should not be done.

 

[BADKITTY]

i see what you mean; point taken. but within the links i posted are several great research articles by BigAndy, Heretic (The DNP "guru"), Citruscide, and others on the effects of DNP on DNA. There's a firestorm of debate on a number of widely used "bodybuilding" drugs: not only DNP, but also insulin, GH, and T-3. In the end it comes down to whether or not you are willing to risk possible side effects for what you want to attain. Some people are, others aren't. The main point i wanted to make is that the choice is ultimately up to the user. I've never been one to condemn someone for their personal choices, especially if they have done enough research to feel confident in their decision. The study i referred to is by Bachynski. I've been searching and will try to post it when i find it, but there was a five- year study that proved that women had healthy babies even after long-duration low-dose cycles of DNP. So that's good enough for me; hell the FDA has approved use of some drugs without even that much testing...it's obvious we differ in opinion, but i appreciate your post; this is actually a good debate to have. thx for not flaming
~MINX

 

[Badruz]

thanx strngmnx, that's the sort of info i was looking for and will forward it on to her. i also read the post you qoted about not raising body temp so frying eggs. i always though it possibly damaged eggs from being in the system and dnp chemical itself damaged them and not the heat. thanks alot i've also read about alot of women using it at 200mg ed and hardly feeling any heating due to being more tolerante to it for some reason and having amazing results. thanks you and i will get her to pm you if she needs to know anything.

 

[BADKITTY]

always welcome... and honestly, good debate is one of the advantages to asking questions in a forum- it's always a good idea to hear both sides of the argument. but keep in mind that it's better to err on the side of caution; even studies can be wrong. it's like the safe sex argument- "the only 100% safe sex is NO sex" LOL! so the only way to avoid risk 100% is not to take it. tell your friend she's more than welcome to PM, or she can join and post some q's herself. good luck and post results!
~MINX

 

[JerseyArt]

If she lacks the sense to avoid it, at minimum inform her that it can stay in you for months afterwards and to avoid becoming pregnant ideally for a year.

By the way don't translate this advice as "responsible " usage. It's just better than nothing

 

[JerseyArt]

i see what you mean; point taken. but within the links i posted are several great research articles by BigAndy, Heretic (The DNP "guru"), Citruscide, and others on the effects of DNP on DNA. There's a firestorm of debate on a number of widely used "bodybuilding" drugs: not only DNP, but also insulin, GH, and T-3. In the end it comes down to whether or not you are willing to risk possible side effects for what you want to attain. Some people are, others aren't. The main point i wanted to make is that the choice is ultimately up to the user. I've never been one to condemn someone for their personal choices, especially if they have done enough research to feel confident in their decision. The study i referred to is by Bachynski. I've been searching and will try to post it when i find it, but there was a five- year study that proved that women had healthy babies even after long-duration low-dose cycles of DNP. So that's good enough for me; hell the FDA has approved use of some drugs without even that much testing...it's obvious we differ in opinion, but i appreciate your post; this is actually a good debate to have. thx for not flaming
~MINX

LOL

No flaming I would only be truly upset if someone was advising a loved one in any way that its ok. Other people wil have to fend for themselves.

I understand your point. I think the problem on these boards is we tend to "convince" ourselves (and by extension others) that we actually understand what a great deal of this stuff will eventually do to us when in truth we don't. We know short term answers, and most of them tend to be consistent with what we desire (increased muscle mass, lower bf etc). Farther down the line isnt so great. Like women and estrogen replacement therapy, and things like breast cancer. I know two friends of the family that both died from such Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT), and that was medically supervised with pharmeucitical grade drugs.

The answer to DNP and women (and men) is that we don't know. And what we can extrapolate isnt all that good, despite what many non doctors and non scientists posting on BB boards and interpreting medical studies say to the contrary.

 

[LeanMeOut]

I think ANYONE using DNP, let alone a woman, is a horrible idea. I've used it once in the past, and I will NEVER use it again. It is definitely the most dangerous drug in bodybuilding, and the results are not worth the side effects along the way.

 

[taylorn]

can women on birth control take DNP? Also will women still loose weight the same as when men take DNP?